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From: Rich Murray on 8 Nov 2005 11:45 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1242 supports New Mexico Board of Pharmacy ban on aspartame and mercury, Joachim Mutter, PhD, University of Freiburg, autism and mercury in thimerosal in infant vaccines, Neuroendocrinology Letters 2005 October: Murray 2005.11.08 From: "Stephen Fox" stephen(a)santafefineart.com To: rmforall(a)comcast.net Subject: Fw: Letter regarding neurotoxins in medicine Date: Thursday, November 03, 2005 8:59 AM ---------- Forwarded Message ----------- From: "Joachim Mutter" <jmutter(a)iuk3.ukl.uni-freiburg.de> To: wstorey1960(a)cs.com, ABuesingRPh(a)aol.com, cross(a)warpdriveonline.com Cc: hshaver(a)redw.com, buffie.saavedra(a)state.nm.us, delnortelvnm(a)hola-vegas.com, IBGEM66(a)aol.com, william.harvey(a)state.nm.us, carrierbox(a)aol.com, stephen(a)santafefineart.com Sent: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:53:09 +0100 Subject: Letter regarding neurotoxins in medicine TO: WOODROW STOREY,R.PH. CHAIRMAN, NEW MEXICO PHARMACEUTICAL BOARD AMY BUESING, R.PH. VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD RUDY NOLASCO, R.PH. THOMAS ORTEGA, R.PH. BUFFIE SAAVEDRA ALLEN CARRIER DANNY CROSS, R.PH. BRENDA PADILLA, R.PH. HOWARD SHAVER MR. CHAIRMAN, MADAME VICE CHAIR, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD: Please take the time to read the attached medical article of mine, in collaboration with others (see attachments). The issue of mercury as a cause of autism is a very serious one, and one which is regrettable "swept-under-the-rug" in American newspapers and in the minds of American physicians, perhaps to the delight of the manufacturers thereof. I assure that it is not being similarly ignored in most of the nations of Europe. This is nonetheless a growing and staggering problem for children in the United States, which you must deal with honestly and directly as soon as you can, as early as your next meeting! There is no reason whatsoever that mercury is added, other than its quasi-antibiotic effect, which is horribly outweighed by its enormous and obvious neurotoxic and neurodegenerative effects. There are many other antibiotic preservatives/additives for vaccines which are readily available. Combined with the assault on children's nervous systems and developing brain from a host of other vectors, many of which began in the prenatal development of the child, especially if the mother used or uses aspartame, another neurotoxin, in conjunction with the ever present brain tumor causing agent, diketopiperazine, alcohol, excessive caffeine, et.alia., the children in many nations, particularly yours, are facing very serious and unprecedented neurological damage at a very early age. There can be no other major nor more significant factor in all of this than mercury/Thimerosal in vaccines. I heartily support this petition and any and all efforts you can make to bring this to an end in New Mexico, for both Aspartame and Thimerosal. No matter whether the FDA has approved both of these neurotoxins, or not, I am sure that you recognize that you have a much higher legal obligation to protect the citizens of New Mexico, their health, and especially that of the children of New Mexico. If no one else is going to protect them, who is going to? Clearly the FDA and the manufacturers are not going to, haven't done so, and will never do so. The mythology of FDA preemption is a ruinous one, which is so reprehensible, that it is indeed obviously crumbling, in federal courts, in federal liability judgments, and in the minds of almost all thinking Americans. The flaws in the FDA procedures are so serious and so rampant that they cannot be repaired, not by your congressman or senator, and not by any decision in both Houses of your Legislative Branches, which I believe to be impossible. I am certain that the efforts must concentrate and originate at the state levels, and I strongly encourage you to move forward with this ban: not just another academician''s polite warning, not labeling, not informed consent, but a total cease and desist on these two egregious neurotoxic scourges of modern health, mercury in vaccines, and the artificial sweetener, aspartame, found presently in hundreds of children's vitamins and medications, two of the most egregious neurotoxins faced by modern man. The manufacturers will clearly object (they may even be shocked into rapid compliance in advance), but their objections will ring hollow and be obviously false to you, when you have mastered the real truth a priori. I wish you the very best in your deliberations. If I can be of further assistance, please let me know at your earliest convenience. Sincerely, Joachim Mutter, M.D. Dr. Joachim Mutter, MD Institute of Environmental Medicine and Hospital Epidemiology University Hospital Freiburg Hugstetter Str. 55 79106 Freiburg Germany Phone: ++49-761-270-5484(9) Fax: ++49-761-270-5440 e-mail: jmutter(a)iuk3.ukl.uni-freiburg.de ____________________________________________________________ Woodrow Storey, R.Ph. Albuquerque, NM Bus: 505-761-8005 Fax: 505-761-8030 wstorey1960(a)cs.com Central District Board Chairman Amy Buesing, R.Ph. ABuesingRPh(a)aol.com Danny Cross, R.Ph. cross(a)warpdriveonline.com Howard Shaver hshaver(a)redw.com Buffie Saavedra buffie.saavedra(a)state.nm.us Rudy Nolasco, R.Ph. delnortelvnm(a)hola-vegas.com Brenda Padilla, R.Ph. IBGEM66(a)aol.com Thomas Ortega, R.Ph. Grants, NM in care of william.harvey(a)state.nm.us Allen Carrier carrierbox(a)aol.com ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- ************************************************************ page 431 ORIGINAL ARTICLE Neuroendocrinology Letters Vol. 26 No. 5, October 2005 Copyright ? 2005 Neuroendocrinology Letters ISSN 0172-780X www.nel.edu Mercury and autism: Accelerating Evidence? Joachim Mutter*, jmutter(a)iuk3.ukl.uni-freiburg.de Johannes Naumann*, johannes.naumann(a)uniklinik-freiburg.de Rainer Schneider* 1, rainer.schneider(a)uniklinik-freiburg.de [ 270-7225, 270-7224. rschneider(a)iuk3.ukl.uni-freiburg.de ] Harald Walach* 1,2 harald.walach(a)northampton.ac.uk 01604-892392 & Boyd Haley 3 behaley(a)pop.uky.edu * Institute for Environmental Medicine and Hospital Epidemiology, University Hospital Freiburg, Germany 1 Samueli Institute, European O.ce, Freiburg, Germany 2 School of Social Sciences, University of Northampton, United Kingdom 3 Department of Chemistry, Lexington, University of Kentucky, USA Correspondence to: Joachim Mutter Institute for Environmental Medicine and Hospital Epidemiology University Hospital Freiburg, Hugstetter Str. 55 79106 Freiburg, GERMANY PHONE: ++49-761-270-5489 FAX: ++49-761-270-5440 EMAIL: joachim.mutter(a)uniklinik-freiburg.de Submitted: September 25, 2005 Accepted: September 27, 2005 Key words: autism; developmental disorders; ethyl mercury; dental amalgam; mercury; thimerosal; neurotoxicity; estrogen; testosterone; methylation; glutathion PMID: 16264412 NEL260405A00 ? Neuroendocrinology Letters www.nel.edu [ johannes.naumann(a)uniklinik-freiburg.de (0761) 270-5489 international call +49-761-270-5489 59 Haley B. Reduced levels of mercury in first baby haircuts of Autistic children. Immunization safety review: Vaccines and autism. Institute of Medicine, Febr. 9, (2004). Available from: URL: http://www.iom.edu/subpage.asp?id=18065 [cited 2005, September 20]. E-mail behaley(a)pop.uky.edu Title Regular Faculty Department Chemistry Address A057 ASTeCC Building 0286 Phone 859 257-2300 x246 Fullname Boyd E Haley http://www.toxicteeth.org/old_web_site/haley-CV.html Boyd E. Haley BOYD E. HALEY, Ph.D. Born 22-09-40 Greensburg, Indiana ADDRESS: Advanced Science Technology Commercialization Center, ASTeCC Room A057 University of Kentucky Lexington, KY 40506-0286 Laboratory: Telephone; (606) 257-2300 ext 246 FAX; (606) 257-3040 Chemistry Office: Telephone; (606) 257-7082 http://www.toxicteeth.org/advisoryCommitee.cfm http://www.safeminds.org/ sbernard(a)safeminds.org 254 Trickum Creek Road Tyrone, GA 30290 Telephone: 404-934-0777 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/629 brilliant testimony to Congress on health fraud re dental amalgam mercury and Alzheimers, Boyd E Haley, Part 1/2: Murray 2001.06.12 ] Neuroendocrinology Letters Vol. 26, No. 5, October 2005 Copyright ? Neuroendocrinology Letters ISSN 0172-780X www.nel.edu Abstract The causes of autism and neurodevelopmental disorders are unknown. Genetic and environmental risk factors seem to be involved. Because of an observed increase in autism in the last decades, which parallels cumulative mercury exposure, it was proposed that autism may be in part caused by mercury. We review the evidence for this proposal. Several epidemiological studies failed to find a correlation between mercury exposure through thimerosal, a preservative used in vaccines, and the risk of autism. Recently, it was found that autistic children had a higher mercury exposure during pregnancy due to maternal dental amalgam and thimerosal-containing immunoglobulin shots. It was hypothesized that children with autism have a decreased detoxification capacity due to genetic polymorphism. In vitro, mercury and thimerosal in levels found several days after vaccination inhibit methionine synthetase (MS) by 50%. Normal function of MS is crucial in biochemical steps necessary for brain development, attention and production of glutathione, an important antioxidative and detoxifying agent. Repetitive doses of thimerosal leads to neurobehavioral deteriorations in autoimmune susceptible mice, increased oxidative stress and decreased intracellular levels of glutathione in vitro. Subsequently, autistic children have significantly decreased level of reduced glutathione. Promising treatments of autism involve detoxification of mercury, and supplementation of deficient metabolites. Abbreviations MTHFR methylentetrahydrofolate reductase Hg mercury DMSA dimercaptosuccinic acid DMPS sodium 2,3-dimercapto-1-propane sulfonate MS methionine synthetase ASD autism spectrum disorders Introduction Autism spectrum disorders (ASD), first described in 1943 in eleven children born in the 1930s, have increased worldwide [1,2,3,4]. All forms of mercury are neurotoxic, especially during brain development [5,6]. Thus, some authors assume that the increase of autism might be page 432 caused by the worldwide increase of mercury exposure through fish and industrial sources, amalgam [7] and additionally, through increased parenteral exposure to ethylmercurithiosalicate (thimerosal), first introduced by Eli Lilly 1931 as a preservative in vaccinations [1,2,8]. Especially, in the U.S., the prevalence of autism became endemic with an increase of about 5 in 10,000 to 60 in 10,000 after three additional thimerosal-containing vaccines were introduced for newborns in the early 1990s, whereas in most other countries with a much lower autism prevalence, like Germany or Denmark, thimerosal in vaccines was reduced at the same time. In California, the autism rate increased by 634% between 1987 and 2002, which cannot be attributed to shifts in the interpretation of diagnostic criteria, migration or improved diagnostic accuracies [3,4,9]. Other developmental and behavioural disorders like attention deficit disorders (ADD) or attention deficit hyperactivity disorders (ADHD) have also increased up to 1 out of every 6 children in the U.S. [10,11]. It should be noted that in the 1990s, newborns until age of 6 months were regularly exposed to a cumulative thimerosal dose of 187.5 ?g [12]. This situation seems to resemble the epidemy of Acrodynia in the last century, which affected up to 1 of 500 infants in some industrial countries. After removing a frequently used teething powder, which contained mercury as calomel (Hg2Cl2), acrodynia disappeared. Interestingly, calomel is one of the less toxic forms of mercury when given orally and mercury chlorid (HgCl), a more toxic form of inorganic mercury, is about 100-fold less toxic than ethyl mercury to neurones in vitro [13]. Beside exposure to teething powders, it was reported in 1953 that immunisations with thimerosal containing vaccines preceded the onset of acrodynia in several cases [14]. It was not until 1999 that an elimination of thimerosal in vaccines was recommended by the U.S. Public Health Service and the American Academy of Paediatrics. Despite the recommendation, the CDC recommends thimerosal-containing flu vaccines and tetanus boosters and even the WHO promotes the use of thimerosal in vaccinations in border- or undeveloped countries [15]. It is of public interest to ask, why thimerosal and dental amalgam, which both consists of about 50% of the most toxic nonradioactive element [16] and, in the case of amalgam, additionally of other heavy metals (eg. tin, copper, silver, zinc), have been used since 70 and 170 years, respectively, and, have been allowed to bypass toxicological testing. It must be noted that until today no controlled, randomized study regarding the safety of amalgam or thimerosal exists. Such a future study should consider mercury exposure through pregnancy and vaccinations, because these exposures seem to be crucial in the pathogenesis of autism [17,18]. Furthermore, there is no single study, which compares the health of individuals exposed- versus never exposed to mercury (from amalgam or thimerosal) with the exception of the one by Mortada et al. [19]. As was shown by the recent debate regarding the as yet unrecognized profound adverse side effects of hormone replacement therapy, adverse side effects of hormone replacement therapy, the lack of a large enough prospective controlled, randomized study may lead to false conclusions. Against this background it is interesting to note that several scientists from the FDA, NIH, and CDC may have been influenced by vaccine manufacturers or dental boards [15, 20-24]. Despite this information, the Institute of Medicine of the U.S. concluded recently that there is no relationship between thimerosal and autism, and that no further studies should be conducted to evaluate the relationship between thimerosal and autism [25]. Thus, it is important to carefully pay attention to published and unpublished data and note pertinent conflicts of interest...... [ more at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1242 ] ************************************************************ Tuesday, November 8, 2005 Any unsuspected source of methanol, which the body always quickly and largely turns into formaldehyde and then formic acid, must be monitored, especially for high responsibility occupations, often with night shifts, such as pilots and nuclear reactor operators. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1237 ubiquitous potent uncontrolled co-factors in nutrition research are formaldehyde from wood and tobacco smoke and many sources, including from methanol in dark wines and liquors, in pectins in fruits and vegetables, and in aspartame: Murray 2005.11.08 As a medical layman, I suggest that evidence mandates immediate exploration of the role of these ubiquitious, potent formaldehyde sources as co-factors in epidemiology, research, diagnosis, and treatment in a wide variety of disorders. Folic acid, from fruits and vegetables, plays a role by powerfully protecting against methanol (formaldehyde) toxicity. Many common drugs, such as aspirin, interfere with folic acid, as do some mutations in relevant enzymes. The majority of aspartame reactors are female. In mutual service, Rich Murray ************************************************************ Rich Murray, MA Room For All rmforall(a)comcast.net 505-501-2298 1943 Otowi Road Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/messages group with 146 members, 1,242 posts in a public, searchable archive http://RoomForAll.blogspot.com http://AspartameNM.blogspot.com Dark wines and liquors, as well as aspartame, provide similar levels of methanol, above 100 mg daily, for long-term heavy users, 2 L daily, about 6 cans. Methanol is inevitably largely turned into formaldehyde, and thence largely into formic acid. It is the major cause of the dreaded symptoms of "next morning" hangover. Fully 11% of aspartame is methanol -- 1,120 mg aspartame in 2 L diet soda, almost six 12-oz cans, gives 123 mg methanol (wood alcohol). If 30% of the methanol is turned into formaldehyde, the amount of formaldehyde, 37 mg, is 18.5 times the USA EPA limit for daily formaldehyde in drinking water, 2.0 mg in 2 L average daily drinking water, ************************************************************
From: Ma?k on 8 Nov 2005 23:06 On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:45:08 -0700, "Rich Murray" <rmforall(a)att.net> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: no such ban exists
From: Rich Murray on 9 Nov 2005 00:59 From: "Ma?k" <youknow(a)yourenutty.com> Subject: Re: supports New Mexico Board of Pharmacy ban on aspartame and mercury, Joachim Mutter, PhD, University of Freiburg, autism and mercury in thimerosal in infant vaccines, Neuroendocrinology Letters 2005 October: Murray 2005.11.08 Date: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:06 PM On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:45:08 -0700, "Rich Murray" <rmforall(a)att.net> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: no such ban exists ************************************************************ Tuesday, November 8, 2005 Hello Ma?k, Yep, no such ban exists -- as yet: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1236 Banning aspartame in New Mexico children's medications and vitamins, petition to Board of Pharmacy on Nov 14-15: Fox: Stoller: Murray 2005.10.16 http://www.wnho.org/ STATUTORY POWERS OF NEW MEXICO PHARMACY BOARD RE: ASPARTAME AND THIMEROSAL By Stephen Fox Santa Fe, New Mexico stephen(a)santafefineart.com Posted: 31 October 2005 From: "Stephen Fox" stephen(a)santafefineart.com To: William.Harvey(a)state.nm.us CC: wstorey1960(a)cs.com, ABuesingRPh(a)aol.com, cross(a)warpdriveonline.com, hshaver(a)redw.com, buffie.saavedra(a)state.nm.us, delnortelvnm(a)hola-vegas.com, IBGEM66(a)aol.com, carrierbox(a)aol.com, Ben.Kesner(a)state.nm.us, larry.loring(a)state.nm.us, mike.lyons(a)state.nm.us, bill.weast(a)state.nm.us, sarah.trujillo(a)state.nm.us Subject: STATUTORY POWERS OF NM PHARMACY BOARD RE: ASPARTAME AND THIMEROSAL Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:38:42 -0600 William Harvey, Executive Director of New Mexico Pharmacy Board Chairman Storey Members of the Board of Pharmacy October 31, 2005 Dear Mr. Harvey, Mr. Chairman Storey, and Members of the NM Pharmacy Board: I am pleased to submit to you this introductory letter requesting that you schedule a brief appearance by Dr. Ken Stoller and me at the next meeting, November 14-15, to consider the initial filing of the petition to your board for a rule change and addition to the New Mexico Administrative Code of a new sections pertaining to a prohibition for this state of the sale and administering by prescription or any other means, including over the counter sales, of medications, particularly those consumed by children, which contain the neurotoxic artificial sweetener, aspartame, because of its metabolite formaldehyde, as well as a prohibition and complete cessation of administering vaccinations containing another neurotoxin, the preservative thimerosal, because of its largest component by atomic weight, mercury; further, not only formaldehyde is metabolized from aspartame, but also diketopiperazine, an incontrovertibly proven brain tumor causing agent. You will be hearing from many New Mexicans and non-New Mexicans: physicians, legislators, educators, victims and ordinary citizens, in this regard. As you perhaps know, the New Mexico Environmental Improvement Board voted 4-2 on October 4 that it had the statutory powers and obligations to consider a ban on aspartame in food products sold in New Mexico, and therefore scheduled a 5 day hearing on the subject in July 2006. I hope you find this encouraging and facilitating to the similar request I make of you in regard to ridding New Mexico medicines and vitamins, especially for children, of both aspartame and thimerosal. There will be newspaper articles and radio discussions of these issues. It is my sincere hope that you will consider the statutes and evidence presented to you with open minds and with no concerns about commercial impacts of such consumer protective additions to the Administrative Code, nor how many products precisely might be impugned in pharmacies and retail operations around New Mexico. They will certainly have time to adjust and phase out the relevant products, in due course, if that is to be your decision in these matters. I hope that your sole concern will be the physiological well-being of New Mexicans, who presently suffer greatly from such neurotoxins, and that you will render the appropriate conclusion, regardless of the propaganda and corporate boiler plate nonsense which will no doubt in time be presented to you by representatives of the neurotoxin-polluting corporations which manufacture such medications and children's vitamins containing aspartame, as well as vaccinations containing mercury as a preservative. Aspartame is in fact a dangerous drug which violates federal standards for Adulteration, and yet aspartame obtained FDA approval for human consumption in 1981 and for soft drinks in 1983, in complete violation of the federal standards. Industry proponents and corporate lawyers representing these corporations will try eventually to tell you that you have no power to question a product given FDA approval, regardless of how many neurodegenerative diseases, afflictions, and symptoms it can be proven to have caused. The statutory power to make such additions to the Administrative Code is spelled out quite clearly in these following statutes: 26-1-3 Prohibited Acts: The following acts are prohibited: A. The sale of any drug or device that is adulterated, misbranded or a counterfeit drug which is not a controlled substance; B. The adulteration or misbranding of any drug or device [ for rest of letter, http://www.wnho.org/ ] The above is a summary of the relevant New Mexico statutes, and the proposed Rule Change will follow shortly, on or before November 4, 2005, to allow 10 days to transmit by regular mail to all of the Board members. Please place these items on the Agenda for November 14-15. Thank you very much, Respectfully, Stephen Fox, Petitioner 217 W. Water St. Santa Fe, New Mexico 87501 (505) 983-2002 stephen(a)santafefineart.com SPECIAL NOTE FROM MR. STEPHEN FOX: If anyone is interested in doing the same thing in their own state or nation, please contact Mr. Fox. He will be glad to be of service as a free consultant. ************************************************************ PETITION TO THE NEW MEXICO BOARD OF PHARMACY Written By Stephen Fox 217 W. Water Santa Fe, New Mexico Telephone: (505) 983-2002 E-Mail: Stephen(a)santafefineart.com Co-petitioner Ken Stoller, M.D. Telephone: (505) 820-6234 E-Mail: hbotnm(a)netzero.net Posted: 01 November 2005 Proposed Additions To New Mexico Administrative Code Are The Subjects Of This Petition To The New Mexico Board Of Pharmacy. Title 7 HEALTH CHAPTER 37 Prohibition of Use and Sale of Specific Neurotoxic Additives and the Addition of Adulterated and Misbranded Drugs, Specifically Identified as: Aspartame, Added to Medicine, Vitamins; And Prohibition of Use and Administration of Thimerosal, partially Comprised of Toxic Levels of Mercury and used a Preservative in Vaccines Commonly Administered and Prescribed by New Mexico Physicians. 1. ISSUING AGENCY: New Mexico Board of Pharmacy 2. SCOPE: Aspartame is recognized as a dangerous, poisonous, and deleterious and misbranded drug which is presently added to medications and vitamins particularly sold and consumed by children, and Thimerosal, a mercury based preservative in vaccines. The sale and administering of both Aspartame and Thimerosal shall henceforth be prohibited in the state of New Mexico. These regulations apply to: 2.1 NMSA 26-1-3 Prohibited Acts: Prohibition of Misbranded Drugs presently added to commonly purchased and consumed medications, both over-the-counter and by prescription; vitamins; and vaccines commonly administered by New Mexico physicians 2.2 NMSA 26-1-9. Addition of poisonous or deleterious substances; color additives. (1967) B. Any added poisonous or deleterious substance or any color additive, shall with respect to any particular use or intended use be deemed unsafe for the purpose of application of Section 10 A [26-1-10 A NMSA 1978] of the New Mexico Drug [, Device] and Cosmetic Act with respect to any drug or device [ for rest of petition, http://www.wnho.org/ ] ************************************************************ Rich Murray, MA Room For All rmforall(a)comcast.net 505-501-2298 1943 Otowi Road Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/messages group with 146 members, 1,242 posts in a public, searchable archive http://RoomForAll.blogspot.com http://AspartameNM.blogspot.com Dark wines and liquors, as well as aspartame, provide similar levels of methanol, above 100 mg daily, for long-term heavy users, 2 L daily, about 6 cans. Methanol is inevitably largely turned into formaldehyde, and thence largely into formic acid. It is the major cause of the dreaded symptoms of "next morning" hangover. Fully 11% of aspartame is methanol -- 1,120 mg aspartame in 2 L diet soda, almost six 12-oz cans, gives 123 mg methanol (wood alcohol). If 30% of the methanol is turned into formaldehyde, the amount of formaldehyde, 37 mg, is 18.5 times the USA EPA limit for daily formaldehyde in drinking water, 2.0 mg in 2 L average daily drinking water, ************************************************************
From: RB on 9 Nov 2005 22:53 On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:59:30 -0700, "Rich Murray" <rmforall(a)att.net> wrote: >From: "Ma?k" <youknow(a)yourenutty.com> >Subject: Re: supports New Mexico Board of Pharmacy ban on aspartame and >mercury, Joachim Mutter, PhD, University of Freiburg, autism and mercury in >thimerosal in infant vaccines, Neuroendocrinology Letters 2005 October: >Murray 2005.11.08 >Date: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:06 PM > >On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:45:08 -0700, "Rich Murray" <rmforall(a)att.net> >Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: > >no such ban exists >************************************************************ > Murray, how about just posting links instead of the endless OT BS you keep posting. Since you flaunt your supposed education surely you can learn to post correctly. RB >Tuesday, November 8, 2005 Hello Ma?k, > >Yep, no such ban exists -- as yet: >
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