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From: BobPit on 9 Oct 2005 06:37 I have a question about leg exercises. Since last year I had some trouble with my knees. Small pains etc. My doctor (athletics-orthopedics) told me that all leg exercises (especially the leg extention and leg curl) hurt the knees. He told me that in 10 years I would be looking for surgery. My gym instructor made fun of the doctor. And the doctor made fun of the gym instructor. But I had the pains to prove that something was wrong. Whenever I stopped squating and training the legs, in 20-30 days the pains would go away. I sistened to the doctor's advice and shifted the focus on isometrics, wore bands for the knees etc. Seemed to help. But I did regular reps for leg extention (I overlooked this exercise). Pain came to the left knee. I have strong legs. I know the value of squat. But how do i overcome this obstacle? Bob
From: spodosaurus on 9 Oct 2005 06:40 BobPit wrote: > I have a question about leg exercises. > > Since last year I had some trouble with my knees. Small pains etc. My > doctor (athletics-orthopedics) told me that all leg exercises (especially > the leg extention and leg curl) hurt the knees. He told me that in 10 years > I would be looking for surgery. > He's not up on the facts then. If you do not work your joints, you're more likely to suffer problems as time goes on. Healthy joints are meant to be used! Even people with painful arthritis (of all different types) are encouraged to do as much as possible to keep their joints healthy. > My gym instructor made fun of the doctor. And the doctor made fun of the > gym instructor. But I had the pains to prove that something was wrong. And you could have had those pains anyway, regardless of whether you'd been exercising or not. > > Whenever I stopped squating and training the legs, in 20-30 days the pains > would go away. What else were you doing for your legs? How often? What percentage of your maximum weight? How many reps? How many sets? What was your exact form on all the exercises you were doing? you've given us very little information to comment about. > > I sistened to the doctor's advice and shifted the focus on isometrics, wore > bands for the knees etc. Seemed to help. But I did regular reps for leg > extention (I overlooked this exercise). Pain came to the left knee. Leg extensions are rarely performed properly and are more often a cause of knee problems than properly performed squats. That said, I estimate that 90+% of people doing squats haven't read anything about the details of the different ways of doing them, nor have they committed to the learning process to get their form right in any of the ways. > > I have strong legs. I know the value of squat. But how do i overcome this > obstacle? Give us more information. Cheers, Ari -- spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor: http://www.abmdr.org.au/ http://www.marrow.org/
From: T on 9 Oct 2005 08:22 BobPit wrote: > I have a question about leg exercises. > > Since last year I had some trouble with my knees. Small pains etc. My > doctor (athletics-orthopedics) told me that all leg exercises (especially > the leg extention and leg curl) hurt the knees. He told me that in 10 years > I would be looking for surgery. > > My gym instructor made fun of the doctor. And the doctor made fun of the > gym instructor. But I had the pains to prove that something was wrong. > Whenever I stopped squating and training the legs, in 20-30 days the pains > would go away. > > I sistened to the doctor's advice and shifted the focus on isometrics, wore > bands for the knees etc. Seemed to help. But I did regular reps for leg > extention (I overlooked this exercise). Pain came to the left knee. > > I have strong legs. I know the value of squat. But how do i overcome this > obstacle? > > Bob Get somebody competent - say, your local USAW coach - to check your squat form. Do high reps 2-3 times a week. Chondroitin, glucosamine.
From: BobPit on 9 Oct 2005 10:37 > Get somebody competent - say, your local USAW coach - to check your squat > form. Occasionally the gym instructors saw me squat. They said I was OK. Maybe they did not know .... > Do high reps 2-3 times a week. But I only do each body part once a week, so that I can recuparate. God, I hate contradicting info. I just heard of the 20 reps squat. I never go higher than 12 reps. I go for mass and then strength. Ok, please give me a reference. Bob
From: BobPit on 9 Oct 2005 10:57
> And you could have had those pains anyway, regardless of whether you'd > been exercising or not. Last year, I would wake up in the morning and my right knee would be locked and in a pinching pain. After 10-20 secs it would be OK. I stopped squating heavy, started isometrics for squat/leg press and it went away. So, isn't this enough of a proof that my exercise schedule was hurting my knees? > What else were you doing for your legs? How often? What percentage of your > maximum weight? How many reps? How many sets? What was your exact form on > all the exercises you were doing? you've given us very little information > to comment about. I think at the top of my power, when I started to have the problem and then I changed to issometric, I was exercising like this (Legs once per week. No dead lift). These are the actual numbers from one of the workouts: Half Squat: 10* 100kgr, 8*115 kgr, 6 * 130 kgr, 10 * 80 kgr, 10 * 80 kgr Leg Press : 9*200 kgr, 8 * 200, 10 * 190 Leg extention: 10*40, 8*40, 7*37,5 , 8*35 Leg curl: 10*40, 8*40, 7*37,5 , 8*35 I do not know my max weight for these exercises. Usually, besides the initial set, I always go to failure. Unless it is the squat, wich is difficult to press until failure. > Leg extensions are rarely performed properly and are more often a cause of > knee problems than properly performed squats. That said, I estimate that > 90+% of people doing squats haven't read anything about the details of the > different ways of doing them, nor have they committed to the learning > process to get their form right in any of the ways. I thought there is no way to do the Leg Extention wrong. Please send a link with the correct form. Yes, the doctor said that Extentions and curls, since they are single joint exercises, they put much more strain on the knee. Squats and Leg presses are safer (but still, squating with 120-150 kgr is a problem). My doctor said that if I exercise with weight a lot less than my max, then it is safe. So maybe, if I do high reps..... maybe? For the last 1 year I do isometrics and very small range of motion (20 degrees at a time) for squat and leg press. But I went full range for leg extention and leg curl. Maybe this was the problem when in the summer my knees hurt again (lef tknee). Please send me e link for correct form of extentiona dnother leg exercises. Thanks Bob "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message news:4348f437(a)quokka.wn.com.au... > > BobPit wrote: >> I have a question about leg exercises. >> >> Since last year I had some trouble with my knees. Small pains etc. My >> doctor (athletics-orthopedics) told me that all leg exercises (especially >> the leg extention and leg curl) hurt the knees. He told me that in 10 >> years I would be looking for surgery. >> > > He's not up on the facts then. If you do not work your joints, you're more > likely to suffer problems as time goes on. Healthy joints are meant to be > used! Even people with painful arthritis (of all different types) are > encouraged to do as much as possible to keep their joints healthy. > >> My gym instructor made fun of the doctor. And the doctor made fun of the >> gym instructor. But I had the pains to prove that something was wrong. > > And you could have had those pains anyway, regardless of whether you'd > been exercising or not. > >> >> Whenever I stopped squating and training the legs, in 20-30 days the >> pains would go away. > > What else were you doing for your legs? How often? What percentage of your > maximum weight? How many reps? How many sets? What was your exact form on > all the exercises you were doing? you've given us very little information > to comment about. > >> >> I sistened to the doctor's advice and shifted the focus on isometrics, >> wore bands for the knees etc. Seemed to help. But I did regular reps >> for leg extention (I overlooked this exercise). Pain came to the left >> knee. > > Leg extensions are rarely performed properly and are more often a cause of > knee problems than properly performed squats. That said, I estimate that > 90+% of people doing squats haven't read anything about the details of the > different ways of doing them, nor have they committed to the learning > process to get their form right in any of the ways. > >> >> I have strong legs. I know the value of squat. But how do i overcome >> this obstacle? > > Give us more information. > > Cheers, > > Ari > > -- > spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply > > I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my > neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in > hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone > marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow > transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor: > http://www.abmdr.org.au/ > http://www.marrow.org/ |