some things about grief
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From: Daisy on 30 Jul 2008 10:08 The difference between the pain of the ones who have passed and our human form here on earth are again uncomparable. Their suffering is over and they are at peace, those left behind are left with the agonizing pain of the grief we share until it is time for us to leave this earth. But to blame yourself for their deaths is not the way to think. We all have a limited time here on earth to love and be loved, I would not trade that for anything in this world. Just my opinion. -- Daisy "hunnix" <hunnix(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:3808b3eb-cfba-4d1c-8bb4-bdfd62c613f3(a)r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > we, the ones who are left without are loved ones cannot talk about > pain. Yet we do? > > Surely, our pain cannot even compare with the pain suffered by the > ones who have left us. > I cannot imagine how painful it must have been for them, to accept > death. Were they even given a choice? > All this talk about heaven and God, is something that has grown off > the human mind, only to soothe ourselves, to provide an answer to our > failures. There is so much we could have done, but we didn't. All we > do is keep hoping. But hope is not a plan, to quote Anderson Cooper. > I have failed my mom, and this is my punishment. > > i am sorry if i have offended anyone, but i just feel we have no right > to compare "our pain" to the pain felt by those who have left us. We > have no ways to even imagine what they went through, they are where > they our because of our "human error" > >
From: MelMenzies on 31 Jul 2008 03:55 On Jul 30, 5:58 am, NotYet1121 <NotYet1...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 27, 11:28 pm, hppyhe...(a)webtv.net (hppy heart) wrote: > > > > > Some things about grief... > > > is that it comes when it wants to, as if it was an invited and honored > > guest. It's entrance is like a haughty debutante. > > > is that it comes like a sneak thief without warning to take what it > > pleases. It has had it's sites on us and we can't always do anything to > > stop it. > > > is that it usually is about death, but that it also is about so many > > other things. A loss is a loss and non-death losses can be life > > altering and recycle themselves over and over. They don't diminish > > anyone elses death losses. > > > is that the loss of other things (not material things), especially when > > compounded by a death don't really make us hurt worse but rather > > interfere with the other grief and makes it harder to live or survive > > with. > > > is that grief has the strongest memory. > > > The losses I've had have all hurt, with some still hurting in ways too > > numerous to number. Two in particular, which are related in ways odd to > > others, but important to me have been the worst for me. They took place > > 20 years apart and each can at times make me as emotional as the day > > they ocurred. The more recent one, almost 6 years ago ocurred on the > > heels of 3 other deaths in the same year and also had other grief issues > > tied to it which felt as profound as death for me. The amount of pain > > sometimes seems so unbearable yet I survive it. I don't understand it, > > yet on another level I do. > > > Many things dredge up that which has sunk to the depths of grief, words > > or behaviors of others, certain dates, news stories, a sound, a song... > > and the pain feels fresh all over again. For me one of the recent > > things has been a "friend" whose daughter died. She and her husband > > have avoided talking to me or really anyone else from what I've heard. > > My condolence card was left unopened and unread, my emails have been > > ignored. After months of this I don't know what to think about our old > > "friendship" but the worst part is that it has dredged up and added to > > the pain. Here is not one, but two losses... one from death, one not, > > but very painful. I know its selfish... but none the less painful. > > > I've tried to be patient, but have worried about the well-being of > > someone I called a friend who seems unable to even acknowledge her grief > > by not acknowledging her "friends" who would dearly love to support her > > in anyway she asks. If she doesn't want to talk about her daughter, > > fine... thats in her own time. Some of my grief has stayed with me > > because people -didn't- want to talk about who I lost. > > > I don't know what to think, or do, or feel - anything but hurt, and > > sometimes anger. > > > I am not asking for advice.... just venting how I feel about all this > > crazy pain. It's the only way I have to deal with it. As has been said > > before on this board.... people sometimes just don't know what to say. > > To All: > > I agree that no one's pain is worse than anothers. I am sorry if I > sounded that way. I just know that losing my son is the worst possible > thing in the world and is unlike all the other real pain from losing > other people I love. I do not mean to minimize anyone's grief. For > truly each loss of someone that you love is unique and we all grieve > differently and yet the same. Love is Stronger than Death! > > Josh's Mom Dear Josh's Mum, What I wrote was not in any way a 'ticking off' anyone comparing their pain with anyone else's. So you have no need to apologise. On the contrary, I was simply sharing some thoughts aloud, and realised, as I wrote, that we all tend to compare our loss with that of others. It's human nature to think that no one can possibly comprehend My Pain - because it's worse than anything anyone else has ever experienced. Of course it is. It's worse because it's Mine. And that makes it the ONLY pain that I can feel this deeply. But what I was wondering was, does it actually help me to make this comparison? Yes, it's human nature to do so. But perhaps I might find my pain more bearable if I turned it round the other way and though - this is how other people feel too. What can I do to use my experience to help others. And that, my friends, is what we're doing here, isn't it? Helping each other. Hugging each other. Interestingly, the Arthritis Care people have just e-mailed me about Challenging physical pain. It says it's a drug free way of managing pain, and that it's really working. Sounds to me very similar to what I'm trying to say about emotional pain. Here's what it says: What is Challenging Pain? The Challenging Pain course is run by specially trained volunteers who have experience of chronic pain. Together, they help participants work through specially designed exercises that give people tools to manage their pain and help work their way towards creating a better quality of life. When people start the Challenging Pain course they set a long-term goal, something they would like to do but cant do at the moment. It can be something simple but essential - like walking to the shop - or a big life change like returning to work. I'll see if I can find out more and whether it's helpful to us. Love to all, Mel www.melmenzies.co.uk
From: NotYet1121 on 2 Aug 2008 09:12 On Jul 31, 2:55 am, MelMenzies <aut...(a)melmenzies.co.uk> wrote: > On Jul 30, 5:58 am, NotYet1121 <NotYet1...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 27, 11:28 pm, hppyhe...(a)webtv.net (hppy heart) wrote: > > > > Some things about grief... > > > > is that it comes when it wants to, as if it was an invited and honored > > > guest. It's entrance is like a haughty debutante. > > > > is that it comes like a sneak thief without warning to take what it > > > pleases. It has had it's sites on us and we can't always do anything to > > > stop it. > > > > is that it usually is about death, but that it also is about so many > > > other things. A loss is a loss and non-death losses can be life > > > altering and recycle themselves over and over. They don't diminish > > > anyone elses death losses. > > > > is that the loss of other things (not material things), especially when > > > compounded by a death don't really make us hurt worse but rather > > > interfere with the other grief and makes it harder to live or survive > > > with. > > > > is that grief has the strongest memory. > > > > The losses I've had have all hurt, with some still hurting in ways too > > > numerous to number. Two in particular, which are related in ways odd to > > > others, but important to me have been the worst for me. They took place > > > 20 years apart and each can at times make me as emotional as the day > > > they ocurred. The more recent one, almost 6 years ago ocurred on the > > > heels of 3 other deaths in the same year and also had other grief issues > > > tied to it which felt as profound as death for me. The amount of pain > > > sometimes seems so unbearable yet I survive it. I don't understand it, > > > yet on another level I do. > > > > Many things dredge up that which has sunk to the depths of grief, words > > > or behaviors of others, certain dates, news stories, a sound, a song.... > > > and the pain feels fresh all over again. For me one of the recent > > > things has been a "friend" whose daughter died. She and her husband > > > have avoided talking to me or really anyone else from what I've heard.. > > > My condolence card was left unopened and unread, my emails have been > > > ignored. After months of this I don't know what to think about our old > > > "friendship" but the worst part is that it has dredged up and added to > > > the pain. Here is not one, but two losses... one from death, one not, > > > but very painful. I know its selfish... but none the less painful. > > > > I've tried to be patient, but have worried about the well-being of > > > someone I called a friend who seems unable to even acknowledge her grief > > > by not acknowledging her "friends" who would dearly love to support her > > > in anyway she asks. If she doesn't want to talk about her daughter, > > > fine... thats in her own time. Some of my grief has stayed with me > > > because people -didn't- want to talk about who I lost. > > > > I don't know what to think, or do, or feel - anything but hurt, and > > > sometimes anger. > > > > I am not asking for advice.... just venting how I feel about all this > > > crazy pain. It's the only way I have to deal with it. As has been said > > > before on this board.... people sometimes just don't know what to say.. > > > To All: > > > I agree that no one's pain is worse than anothers. I am sorry if I > > sounded that way. I just know that losing my son is the worst possible > > thing in the world and is unlike all the other real pain from losing > > other people I love. I do not mean to minimize anyone's grief. For > > truly each loss of someone that you love is unique and we all grieve > > differently and yet the same. Love is Stronger than Death! > > > Josh's Mom > > Dear Josh's Mum, > > What I wrote was not in any way a 'ticking off' anyone comparing their > pain with anyone else's. So you have no need to apologise. On the > contrary, I was simply sharing some thoughts aloud, and realised, as I > wrote, that we all tend to compare our loss with that of others. It's > human nature to think that no one can possibly comprehend My Pain - > because it's worse than anything anyone else has ever experienced. > > Of course it is. It's worse because it's Mine. And that makes it the > ONLY pain that I can feel this deeply. > > But what I was wondering was, does it actually help me to make this > comparison? Yes, it's human nature to do so. But perhaps I might > find my pain more bearable if I turned it round the other way and > though - this is how other people feel too. What can I do to use my > experience to help others. And that, my friends, is what we're doing > here, isn't it? Helping each other. Hugging each other. > > Interestingly, the Arthritis Care people have just e-mailed me about > Challenging physical pain. It says it's a drug free way of managing > pain, and that it's really working. Sounds to me very similar to what > I'm trying to say about emotional pain. Here's what it says: > > What is Challenging Pain? > The Challenging Pain course is run by specially trained volunteers who > have experience of chronic pain. Together, they help participants > work through specially designed exercises that give people tools to > manage their pain and help work their way towards creating a better > quality of life. > When people start the Challenging Pain course they set a long-term > goal, something they would like to do but cant do at the moment. It > can be something simple but essential - like walking to the shop - or > a big life change like returning to work. > > I'll see if I can find out more and whether it's helpful to us. > Love to all, Melwww.melmenzies.co.uk Mel: For me, I believe I always had great compassion for others. However, since my son died, I believe that I have so much more empathy, sympathy, compassion, and tears for those who are grieving. It's like we all have this super vision when we look across the room into other's eyes and we can see the pain and the hurt and the grief where maybe they had a mask on and many couldn't see. In a strange way it is like immediately feeling like you have a sister or a brother when we see that pain and we understand that we are the ones to comfort all the others that are also going through this journey of grief. Yes it helps to share and talk and we benefit and they help us but it truly helps me to help others. It doesn't make any difference if the pain is due to someone whose Mom died or Dad died or husband died or child died or best friend died. It is the fact that the person is grieving because they lost a true loved one to death. You asked if it would help you to make the comparison as to comparing others pain to yours. Actually I don't think that is human nature - I do think it is a recognition that the pain is real, yet unique to each one of us. I think in our hearts we just want to comfort and be there for the other person in pain. I think this because we are so acutely aware that this pain is so horrific. Josh's Mom 5-25-1978 to 11-25-2005 27 years old and 6 months almost to the minute of his death. jumped from the 14th floor of a parking garage My heart, my soul Love is Stronger than Death! www.JoshuaGoddard.com He made his own website 6 months before he died. It is about his life, not his death. He had no signs of depression or mental illness. He paid for this site until 2012. I think all the problems, all at once,were the"PERFECT STORM". No one saw any signs.
From: MelMenzies on 3 Aug 2008 10:06 On Aug 2, 2:12 pm, NotYet1121 <NotYet1...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 31, 2:55 am, MelMenzies <aut...(a)melmenzies.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 30, 5:58 am, NotYet1121 <NotYet1...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 27, 11:28 pm, hppyhe...(a)webtv.net (hppy heart) wrote: > > > > > Some things about grief... > > > > > is that it comes when it wants to, as if it was an invited and honored > > > > guest. It's entrance is like a haughty debutante. > > > > > is that it comes like a sneak thief without warning to take what it > > > > pleases. It has had it's sites on us and we can't always do anything to > > > > stop it. > > > > > is that it usually is about death, but that it also is about so many > > > > other things. A loss is a loss and non-death losses can be life > > > > altering and recycle themselves over and over. They don't diminish > > > > anyone elses death losses. > > > > > is that the loss of other things (not material things), especially when > > > > compounded by a death don't really make us hurt worse but rather > > > > interfere with the other grief and makes it harder to live or survive > > > > with. > > > > > is that grief has the strongest memory. > > > > > The losses I've had have all hurt, with some still hurting in ways too > > > > numerous to number. Two in particular, which are related in ways odd to > > > > others, but important to me have been the worst for me. They took place > > > > 20 years apart and each can at times make me as emotional as the day > > > > they ocurred. The more recent one, almost 6 years ago ocurred on the > > > > heels of 3 other deaths in the same year and also had other grief issues > > > > tied to it which felt as profound as death for me. The amount of pain > > > > sometimes seems so unbearable yet I survive it. I don't understand it, > > > > yet on another level I do. > > > > > Many things dredge up that which has sunk to the depths of grief, words > > > > or behaviors of others, certain dates, news stories, a sound, a song... > > > > and the pain feels fresh all over again. For me one of the recent > > > > things has been a "friend" whose daughter died. She and her husband > > > > have avoided talking to me or really anyone else from what I've heard. > > > > My condolence card was left unopened and unread, my emails have been > > > > ignored. After months of this I don't know what to think about our old > > > > "friendship" but the worst part is that it has dredged up and added to > > > > the pain. Here is not one, but two losses... one from death, one not, > > > > but very painful. I know its selfish... but none the less painful. > > > > > I've tried to be patient, but have worried about the well-being of > > > > someone I called a friend who seems unable to even acknowledge her grief > > > > by not acknowledging her "friends" who would dearly love to support her > > > > in anyway she asks. If she doesn't want to talk about her daughter, > > > > fine... thats in her own time. Some of my grief has stayed with me > > > > because people -didn't- want to talk about who I lost. > > > > > I don't know what to think, or do, or feel - anything but hurt, and > > > > sometimes anger. > > > > > I am not asking for advice.... just venting how I feel about all this > > > > crazy pain. It's the only way I have to deal with it. As has been said > > > > before on this board.... people sometimes just don't know what to say. > > > > To All: > > > > I agree that no one's pain is worse than anothers. I am sorry if I > > > sounded that way. I just know that losing my son is the worst possible > > > thing in the world and is unlike all the other real pain from losing > > > other people I love. I do not mean to minimize anyone's grief. For > > > truly each loss of someone that you love is unique and we all grieve > > > differently and yet the same. Love is Stronger than Death! > > > > Josh's Mom > > > Dear Josh's Mum, > > > What I wrote was not in any way a 'ticking off' anyone comparing their > > pain with anyone else's. So you have no need to apologise. On the > > contrary, I was simply sharing some thoughts aloud, and realised, as I > > wrote, that we all tend to compare our loss with that of others. It's > > human nature to think that no one can possibly comprehend My Pain - > > because it's worse than anything anyone else has ever experienced. > > > Of course it is. It's worse because it's Mine. And that makes it the > > ONLY pain that I can feel this deeply. > > > But what I was wondering was, does it actually help me to make this > > comparison? Yes, it's human nature to do so. But perhaps I might > > find my pain more bearable if I turned it round the other way and > > though - this is how other people feel too. What can I do to use my > > experience to help others. And that, my friends, is what we're doing > > here, isn't it? Helping each other. Hugging each other. > > > Interestingly, the Arthritis Care people have just e-mailed me about > > Challenging physical pain. It says it's a drug free way of managing > > pain, and that it's really working. Sounds to me very similar to what > > I'm trying to say about emotional pain. Here's what it says: > > > What is Challenging Pain? > > The Challenging Pain course is run by specially trained volunteers who > > have experience of chronic pain. Together, they help participants > > work through specially designed exercises that give people tools to > > manage their pain and help work their way towards creating a better > > quality of life. > > When people start the Challenging Pain course they set a long-term > > goal, something they would like to do but cant do at the moment. It > > can be something simple but essential - like walking to the shop - or > > a big life change like returning to work. > > > I'll see if I can find out more and whether it's helpful to us. > > Love to all, Melwww.melmenzies.co.uk > > Mel: > > For me, I believe I always had great compassion for others. However, > since my son died, I believe that I have so much more empathy, > sympathy, compassion, and tears for those who are grieving. It's like > we all have this super vision when we look across the room into > other's eyes and we can see the pain and the hurt and the grief where > maybe they had a mask on and many couldn't see. In a strange way it is > like immediately feeling like you have a sister or a brother when we > see that pain and we understand that we are the ones to comfort all > the others that are also going through this journey of grief. Yes it > helps to share and talk and we benefit and they help us but it truly > helps me to help others. It doesn't make any difference if the pain is > due to someone whose Mom died or Dad died or husband died or child > died or best friend died. It is the fact that the person is grieving > because they lost a true loved one to death. You asked if it would > help you to make the comparison as to comparing others pain to yours. > Actually I don't think that is human nature - I do think it is a > recognition that the pain is real, yet unique to each one of us. I > think in our hearts we just want to comfort and be there for the other > person in pain. I think this because we are so acutely aware that this > pain is so horrific. > > Josh's Mom > 5-25-1978 to 11-25-2005 27 years old and 6 months almost to the > minute of his death. > jumped from the 14th floor of a parking garage > My heart, my soul > > Love is Stronger than Death! www.JoshuaGoddard.com He made his > own website 6 months before he > died. It is > about his life, not his death. > He had no > signs of depression or mental > illness. He > paid for this site until 2012. > I think all > the problems, all at > once,were > the"PERFECT > STORM". No one saw any signs. Oh, my dear Josh's mum, I read your post, clicked on Josh's website, and wept. What a lovely, lovely man. So full of humour, fun, vision, beauty and - did I detect an ache? In his poetry, the verse that he wrote and the poems he quoted. From the awesome photography, it would seem that he was a man of great sensitivity and wonder. And yet, for all his appreciation of nature, his wonder at creation, his love of brothers, grandma, grandpa and 'hippy' dad, there seemed to be this emptiness that couldn't quite be filled? Had he had a broken love affair? I don't know. But I do have a better understanding of your pain. To have loved and lost your son in so terrible a way, knowing what he had to contribute to humanity through his website, knowing that he left behind this legacy until 2012, knowing that you would rather have him . . . What can I say? If I mention my faith it seems to be a problem to some. But I will pray. For your healing. For hope. For wholeness once more. This website is your legacy. Mine is the story inspired by my daughter's life. With love, Mel
From: Daisy on 3 Aug 2008 13:22
Josh reminds me so much of my Buster, always laughing and finding the good in everything he touches...it amazes me to think of them both together now and having the time of their lives....makes me smile, I especially liked the "wilson" cake....it made me smile. Thanks for sharing his website with us, it really did make my day. -- Daisy "NotYet1121" <NotYet1121(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:c193faeb-60a2-4405-8780-c3bc3de473fa(a)k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Jul 31, 2:55 am, MelMenzies <aut...(a)melmenzies.co.uk> wrote: > On Jul 30, 5:58 am, NotYet1121 <NotYet1...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 27, 11:28 pm, hppyhe...(a)webtv.net (hppy heart) wrote: > > > > Some things about grief... > > > > is that it comes when it wants to, as if it was an invited and honored > > > guest. It's entrance is like a haughty debutante. > > > > is that it comes like a sneak thief without warning to take what it > > > pleases. It has had it's sites on us and we can't always do anything > > > to > > > stop it. > > > > is that it usually is about death, but that it also is about so many > > > other things. A loss is a loss and non-death losses can be life > > > altering and recycle themselves over and over. They don't diminish > > > anyone elses death losses. > > > > is that the loss of other things (not material things), especially > > > when > > > compounded by a death don't really make us hurt worse but rather > > > interfere with the other grief and makes it harder to live or survive > > > with. > > > > is that grief has the strongest memory. > > > > The losses I've had have all hurt, with some still hurting in ways too > > > numerous to number. Two in particular, which are related in ways odd > > > to > > > others, but important to me have been the worst for me. They took > > > place > > > 20 years apart and each can at times make me as emotional as the day > > > they ocurred. The more recent one, almost 6 years ago ocurred on the > > > heels of 3 other deaths in the same year and also had other grief > > > issues > > > tied to it which felt as profound as death for me. The amount of pain > > > sometimes seems so unbearable yet I survive it. I don't understand > > > it, > > > yet on another level I do. > > > > Many things dredge up that which has sunk to the depths of grief, > > > words > > > or behaviors of others, certain dates, news stories, a sound, a > > > song... > > > and the pain feels fresh all over again. For me one of the recent > > > things has been a "friend" whose daughter died. She and her husband > > > have avoided talking to me or really anyone else from what I've heard. > > > My condolence card was left unopened and unread, my emails have been > > > ignored. After months of this I don't know what to think about our > > > old > > > "friendship" but the worst part is that it has dredged up and added to > > > the pain. Here is not one, but two losses... one from death, one not, > > > but very painful. I know its selfish... but none the less painful. > > > > I've tried to be patient, but have worried about the well-being of > > > someone I called a friend who seems unable to even acknowledge her > > > grief > > > by not acknowledging her "friends" who would dearly love to support > > > her > > > in anyway she asks. If she doesn't want to talk about her daughter, > > > fine... thats in her own time. Some of my grief has stayed with me > > > because people -didn't- want to talk about who I lost. > > > > I don't know what to think, or do, or feel - anything but hurt, and > > > sometimes anger. > > > > I am not asking for advice.... just venting how I feel about all this > > > crazy pain. It's the only way I have to deal with it. As has been > > > said > > > before on this board.... people sometimes just don't know what to say. > > > To All: > > > I agree that no one's pain is worse than anothers. I am sorry if I > > sounded that way. I just know that losing my son is the worst possible > > thing in the world and is unlike all the other real pain from losing > > other people I love. I do not mean to minimize anyone's grief. For > > truly each loss of someone that you love is unique and we all grieve > > differently and yet the same. Love is Stronger than Death! > > > Josh's Mom > > Dear Josh's Mum, > > What I wrote was not in any way a 'ticking off' anyone comparing their > pain with anyone else's. So you have no need to apologise. On the > contrary, I was simply sharing some thoughts aloud, and realised, as I > wrote, that we all tend to compare our loss with that of others. It's > human nature to think that no one can possibly comprehend My Pain - > because it's worse than anything anyone else has ever experienced. > > Of course it is. It's worse because it's Mine. And that makes it the > ONLY pain that I can feel this deeply. > > But what I was wondering was, does it actually help me to make this > comparison? Yes, it's human nature to do so. But perhaps I might > find my pain more bearable if I turned it round the other way and > though - this is how other people feel too. What can I do to use my > experience to help others. And that, my friends, is what we're doing > here, isn't it? Helping each other. Hugging each other. > > Interestingly, the Arthritis Care people have just e-mailed me about > Challenging physical pain. It says it's a drug free way of managing > pain, and that it's really working. Sounds to me very similar to what > I'm trying to say about emotional pain. Here's what it says: > > What is Challenging Pain? > The Challenging Pain course is run by specially trained volunteers who > have experience of chronic pain. Together, they help participants > work through specially designed exercises that give people tools to > manage their pain and help work their way towards creating a better > quality of life. > When people start the Challenging Pain course they set a long-term > goal, something they would like to do but can�t do at the moment. It > can be something simple but essential - like walking to the shop - or > a big life change like returning to work. > > I'll see if I can find out more and whether it's helpful to us. > Love to all, Melwww.melmenzies.co.uk Mel: For me, I believe I always had great compassion for others. However, since my son died, I believe that I have so much more empathy, sympathy, compassion, and tears for those who are grieving. It's like we all have this super vision when we look across the room into other's eyes and we can see the pain and the hurt and the grief where maybe they had a mask on and many couldn't see. In a strange way it is like immediately feeling like you have a sister or a brother when we see that pain and we understand that we are the ones to comfort all the others that are also going through this journey of grief. Yes it helps to share and talk and we benefit and they help us but it truly helps me to help others. It doesn't make any difference if the pain is due to someone whose Mom died or Dad died or husband died or child died or best friend died. It is the fact that the person is grieving because they lost a true loved one to death. You asked if it would help you to make the comparison as to comparing others pain to yours. Actually I don't think that is human nature - I do think it is a recognition that the pain is real, yet unique to each one of us. I think in our hearts we just want to comfort and be there for the other person in pain. I think this because we are so acutely aware that this pain is so horrific. Josh's Mom 5-25-1978 to 11-25-2005 27 years old and 6 months almost to the minute of his death. jumped from the 14th floor of a parking garage My heart, my soul Love is Stronger than Death! www.JoshuaGoddard.com He made his own website 6 months before he died. It is about his life, not his death. He had no signs of depression or mental illness. He paid for this site until 2012. I think all the problems, all at once,were the"PERFECT STORM". No one saw any signs. |