From: Vaccine-man on
On Nov 30, 12:35 pm, "Yuri Kuchinsky" <y...(a)trends.ca> wrote:

> during a 1962 U.S. Congressional hearing, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the
> Department of Biostatistics for the University of North Carolina School of
> Public Health, testified that cases of polio not only increased after
> mandatory vaccinations --up 50% from 1957 to 1958, and up 80% from 1958 to
> 1959 -- but that the statistics were deliberately manipulated by the Public
> Health Service to give the opposite impression.

Can you provide the reference to the complete text of Dr. Greenberg's
testimony?

> There's a general problem with finding the virus.
>
> Yuri.

What are you talking about? The viral RNA is readily identified in
such patients.
From: Vaccine-man on
On Nov 30, 12:51 pm, "Yuri Kuchinsky" <y...(a)trends.ca> wrote:
> "Vaccine-man" <ziggit...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1ff839d2-9abd-407b-9998-02eaaa7304a2(a)e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Nov 27, 2:14 pm, "Yuri Kuchinsky" <y...(a)trends.ca> wrote:
>
> >> Does this egregious case of medical malpractice constitute your best
> >> evidence for the validity of the official polio story?
>
> >> Yuri.
>
> > No, but it does disprove your assertion that polio is caused by
> > "chemical toxicity." There is no other explanation for these polio
> > cases other than polio virus causes polio.
>
> I'm sure there are other explanations.
>
> Yuri.

And what would those be?

From: Vaccine-man on
On Nov 30, 12:54 pm, "Yuri Kuchinsky" <y...(a)trends.ca> wrote:

> don't have any first hand evidence that this statement was ever made.
>
> So far, we only get your _opinion_ that he didn't say it. That's not good
> enough.
>
> Yuri.

Man, this sounds like something out of the Spanish Inquisition.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Man: "I never said that God doesn't exist."

Priest/Judge: "Do you have any evidence that you didn't say it?"

Man: "No, I don't"

Priest/Judge: "Very well - off to the Guillotine for you!"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

If you make an assertion, it is incumbent upon you to substantiate
it. There is no documentary evidence that Sabin ever made this
comment, yet you are willing to say he did.
From: Yuri Kuchinsky on

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lWZ3j.168$RB.157(a)trnddc03...
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:V213j.50385$Pt.2015(a)trnddc02...
>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:FDK2j.9970$ch.676(a)trnddc03...
>>>>> yu00ku(a)gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> <...>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Since polio is most likely just a form of chemical poisoning, it
>>>>>> won't
>>>>>> be too surprising that the symptoms of polio may result from
>>>>>> vaccines.
>>>>> Funny thing is that in rare outbreaks of polio from the vaccine strain
>>>>> of the virus,
>>>> Not rare at all...
>>> Evidence please.
>>
>> during a 1962 U.S. Congressional hearing, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of
>> the Department of Biostatistics for the University of North Carolina
>> School of Public Health, testified that cases of polio not only increased
>> after mandatory vaccinations --up 50% from 1957 to 1958, and up 80% from
>> 1958 to 1959 -- but that the statistics were deliberately manipulated by
>> the Public Health Service to give the opposite impression.
>
> 1962? That was before I was born. When was the last case of polio in the
> US?

You asked for evidence, you got some.

>>>>> the people who get polio have one thing in common in their
>>>>> stool that most people lack: the virus. So please explain why people
>>>>> with polio have a virus that can be isolated from their stool while
>>>>> those of us without polio don't have it in our stool.
>>>> There are all sorts of problems with isolating the polio virus...
>>>>
>>>> Yuri.
>>> What problems are present with finding the virus in the stool of people
>>> who don't have polio compared to those who do?
>>
>> There's a general problem with finding the virus.
>
> Really? Evidence please.
>
> How about he evidence that people are coming down with polio. People do
> get paralyzed, but please give the evidence that the polio virus is
> responsible in the US.
>
> And, please explain why CDC researchers were able to so easily figure out
> that recent outbreaks caused by the virus were caused by the virus so
> easily, if there is a general problem with finding the virus.
>
> Today, it is easier than ever, with PCR and genetics.
>
> Jeff

Will you say that the AIDS virus is also easy to find?

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku

"The great tragedy of science -- a beautiful hypothesis slain
by an ugly fact." -- Thomas Huxley



From: Jeff on
Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lWZ3j.168$RB.157(a)trnddc03...
>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:V213j.50385$Pt.2015(a)trnddc02...
>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:FDK2j.9970$ch.676(a)trnddc03...
>>>>>> yu00ku(a)gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> <...>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since polio is most likely just a form of chemical poisoning, it
>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>> be too surprising that the symptoms of polio may result from
>>>>>>> vaccines.
>>>>>> Funny thing is that in rare outbreaks of polio from the vaccine strain
>>>>>> of the virus,
>>>>> Not rare at all...
>>>> Evidence please.
>>> during a 1962 U.S. Congressional hearing, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of
>>> the Department of Biostatistics for the University of North Carolina
>>> School of Public Health, testified that cases of polio not only increased
>>> after mandatory vaccinations --up 50% from 1957 to 1958, and up 80% from
>>> 1958 to 1959 -- but that the statistics were deliberately manipulated by
>>> the Public Health Service to give the opposite impression.
>> 1962? That was before I was born. When was the last case of polio in the
>> US?
>
> You asked for evidence, you got some.

Actually, you offered no evidence that the vaccine caused this increase.
If the best you can do is offer testimony before Congress, you have
really supported me. I wonder how Greenberg would explain the persent
rate of polio incidence (zero) today.

>>>>>> the people who get polio have one thing in common in their
>>>>>> stool that most people lack: the virus. So please explain why people
>>>>>> with polio have a virus that can be isolated from their stool while
>>>>>> those of us without polio don't have it in our stool.
>>>>> There are all sorts of problems with isolating the polio virus...
>>>>>
>>>>> Yuri.
>>>> What problems are present with finding the virus in the stool of people
>>>> who don't have polio compared to those who do?
>>> There's a general problem with finding the virus.
>> Really? Evidence please.
>>
>> How about he evidence that people are coming down with polio. People do
>> get paralyzed, but please give the evidence that the polio virus is
>> responsible in the US.
>>
>> And, please explain why CDC researchers were able to so easily figure out
>> that recent outbreaks caused by the virus were caused by the virus so
>> easily, if there is a general problem with finding the virus.
>>
>> Today, it is easier than ever, with PCR and genetics.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Will you say that the AIDS virus is also easy to find?

Every donation of blood is tested for the AIDS virus (HIV). It is easy
to find with PCR. In fact, docs regularly follow the level or
concentration of the virus in blood.

Jeff

> Yuri.
>
> Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>
> "The great tragedy of science -- a beautiful hypothesis slain
> by an ugly fact." -- Thomas Huxley
>
>
>