From: Yuri Kuchinsky on

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FDK2j.9970$ch.676(a)trnddc03...
> yu00ku(a)gmail.com wrote:
> <...>
>
>> Since polio is most likely just a form of chemical poisoning, it won't
>> be too surprising that the symptoms of polio may result from vaccines.
>
> Funny thing is that in rare outbreaks of polio from the vaccine strain
> of the virus,

Not rare at all...

> the people who get polio have one thing in common in their
> stool that most people lack: the virus. So please explain why people
> with polio have a virus that can be isolated from their stool while
> those of us without polio don't have it in our stool.

There are all sorts of problems with isolating the polio virus...

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku

"Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in
the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases
against which they were supposed to provide protection." -- Dr A. Sabin,
developer of the Oral Polio vaccine.



From: Yuri Kuchinsky on

"David Wright" <wright(a)l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> In article <4c3f0$474a4cb4$d8fea180$6137(a)PRIMUS.CA>,
> Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku(a)trends.ca> wrote:
>>
>>"Vaccine-man" <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:a7b92016-a172-457f-9608-22bf6b95dcaa(a)t47g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Nov 25, 7:40 pm, yu0...(a)gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Nov 23, 8:13 pm, wri...(a)l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote:
>>>
>>>> > In the fraudulent "quotation."
>>>>
>>>> The quotation is not fraudulent.
>>>
>>> Yuri, can you provide the entire text of Dr. Sabin's speech so that we
>>> can all evaluate its context? I have searched Google and cannot locate
>>> it. In fact, the only places that I do see this quotation are on
>>> antivaccine web sites. Surely, in the interest of *honest discussion*
>>> you can provide us the evidence we need to independently evaluate your
>>> assertions.
>>
>>I don't have the entire text of Dr. Sabin's speech.
>>
>>Nevertheless, I'm not aware of a single case when a reputable alt site
>>posted a fake quote. Therefore, I give it a very high probability
>>that this particular quote from Dr. Sabin is valid.
>
> How amusing. I guess you've never heard the old saying that a lie can
> circle the earth while the truth is still putting its boots on.
>
> Given that Sabin spent his whole career on vaccines and was much in
> favor of them, it's highly unlikely the quotation is accurate.

There's no evidence that this quote from Sabin is incorrect. Just because it
doesn't fit into your world view, it doesn't mean it's not valid.

According to my source, Sabin said this on December 7th, 1985 at a lecture
to Italian doctors in Piacenza, Italy. Should be pretty easy to verify.
Where are your research skills?

>>How about this one from Dr Morris?
>>
>>Yuri.
>>
>>Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>>
>>"There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunisation of children
>>does more harm than good." -- Dr J Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine
>>Control Officer, FDA.
>
> Unless you can provide a source for this (like when did he say it and
> where), I see no reason to believe it's accurate either.
> Interestingly, if you stick that "quotation" into google, you also
> find it attributed to Dr Klenner, the 'vitamin C cures all' guy that
> whale.to likes to venerate.

The same applies to this Morris quote. These quotes have been on the web for
years, and only now you're waking up to them???

Seems scandalous to me that all those Pharma PR folks have been so remiss in
their debunkings... How do they justify their paychecks? You lose your
Christmas bonus for sure...

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku

"The great tragedy of science -- a beautiful hypothesis slain
by an ugly fact." -- Thomas Huxley






From: Jeff on
Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:FDK2j.9970$ch.676(a)trnddc03...
>> yu00ku(a)gmail.com wrote:
>> <...>
>>
>>> Since polio is most likely just a form of chemical poisoning, it won't
>>> be too surprising that the symptoms of polio may result from vaccines.
>> Funny thing is that in rare outbreaks of polio from the vaccine strain
>> of the virus,
>
> Not rare at all...

Evidence please.

>> the people who get polio have one thing in common in their
>> stool that most people lack: the virus. So please explain why people
>> with polio have a virus that can be isolated from their stool while
>> those of us without polio don't have it in our stool.
>
> There are all sorts of problems with isolating the polio virus...
>
> Yuri.

What problems are present with finding the virus in the stool of people
who don't have polio compared to those who do?

Jeff

>
> Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>
> "Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in
> the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases
> against which they were supposed to provide protection." -- Dr A. Sabin,
> developer of the Oral Polio vaccine.
>
>
>
From: Peter Bowditch on
"Yuri Kuchinsky" <yuku(a)trends.ca> wrote:

>
>"Vaccine-man" <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:f422235a-cfa4-4b20-80d6-fc460974d5cf(a)n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 25, 9:34 pm, "Yuri Kuchinsky" <y...(a)trends.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have the entire text of Dr. Sabin's speech.
>>
>> Have you ever read or heard a recording of his speech? If not, how can
>> you be certain if it was ever made or, if it was, in what context this
>> quote may have been made?
>>
>>> Nevertheless, I'm not aware of a single case when a reputable alt site
>>> posted a fake quote. Therefore, I give it a very high probability that
>>> this
>>> particular quote from Dr. Sabin is valid.
>>
>> Can you explain under what possible circumstances that Dr. Sabin would
>> make a comment condemning vaccines, yet continue his career's work and
>> establishing a pro-vaccine organization, the Sabin Vaccine Institute?
>>
>> http://sabin.org/about/sabin_mission.html
>>
>>> How about this one from Dr Morris?
>>
>> I'd like to resolve the one regarding Dr. Sabin first, if you don't
>> mind. No sense in distractions.
>
>There's no evidence that this quote from Sabin is incorrect. I'm sorry it
>doesn't fit into your world view, but it's not my fault...

Then you will kindly provide a date and a context, won't you?

I didn't think so.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
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Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
From: Peter Bowditch on
"Yuri Kuchinsky" <yuku(a)trends.ca> wrote:

>
>"David Wright" <wright(a)l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
>news:p8M2j.20755$4V6.6238(a)newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>> In article <4c3f0$474a4cb4$d8fea180$6137(a)PRIMUS.CA>,
>> Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku(a)trends.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Vaccine-man" <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a7b92016-a172-457f-9608-22bf6b95dcaa(a)t47g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Nov 25, 7:40 pm, yu0...(a)gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 23, 8:13 pm, wri...(a)l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > In the fraudulent "quotation."
>>>>>
>>>>> The quotation is not fraudulent.
>>>>
>>>> Yuri, can you provide the entire text of Dr. Sabin's speech so that we
>>>> can all evaluate its context? I have searched Google and cannot locate
>>>> it. In fact, the only places that I do see this quotation are on
>>>> antivaccine web sites. Surely, in the interest of *honest discussion*
>>>> you can provide us the evidence we need to independently evaluate your
>>>> assertions.
>>>
>>>I don't have the entire text of Dr. Sabin's speech.
>>>
>>>Nevertheless, I'm not aware of a single case when a reputable alt site
>>>posted a fake quote. Therefore, I give it a very high probability
>>>that this particular quote from Dr. Sabin is valid.
>>
>> How amusing. I guess you've never heard the old saying that a lie can
>> circle the earth while the truth is still putting its boots on.
>>
>> Given that Sabin spent his whole career on vaccines and was much in
>> favor of them, it's highly unlikely the quotation is accurate.
>
>There's no evidence that this quote from Sabin is incorrect. Just because it
>doesn't fit into your world view, it doesn't mean it's not valid.
>
>According to my source, Sabin said this on December 7th, 1985 at a lecture
>to Italian doctors in Piacenza, Italy. Should be pretty easy to verify.
>Where are your research skills?

Where are yours? Do you have a citation that isn't on an
anti-vaccination liar web site?

I didn't think so.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com