From: Mark Probert on
David Wright wrote:
> In article <4fda0a44-88d8-46d0-b939-063456769bb8(a)e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> <yu00ku(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 8:13 pm, wri...(a)l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote:
>>> In article
>> <03ee1d5f-b61d-4455-a86a-11faca05f...(a)e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>> <yu0...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> and it was never really 'eradicated'. The same types of symptoms are
>>>> still quite prevalent, they are just given different
>>>> names/diagnoses. Polio vaccines didn't really help anyone, as
>>>> Dr. Sabin seems to confirm below.
>>> In the fraudulent "quotation."
>> The quotation is not fraudulent.
>
> Of course it is.
>
>>> Except that the symptoms are not "still quite prevalent;"
>> Yes, they are still quite prevalent.
>>
>>> we aren't sticking people in iron lungs any
>>> more, nor do you see all the kids with leg braces etc.
>> These were old treatments. Irrelevant.
>
> Nope. If someone suffered the really severe paralysis, they'd still
> need an iron lung. There's no other treatment. Yet nobody winds up
> in iron lungs these days.

They are hidden in caves.
From: Peter Bowditch on
wright(a)l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote:

>In article <4c3f0$474a4cb4$d8fea180$6137(a)PRIMUS.CA>,
>Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku(a)trends.ca> wrote:
>>
>>"Vaccine-man" <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:a7b92016-a172-457f-9608-22bf6b95dcaa(a)t47g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Nov 25, 7:40 pm, yu0...(a)gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Nov 23, 8:13 pm, wri...(a)l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote:
>>>
>>>> > In the fraudulent "quotation."
>>>>
>>>> The quotation is not fraudulent.
>>>
>>> Yuri, can you provide the entire text of Dr. Sabin's speech so that we
>>> can all evaluate its context? I have searched Google and cannot locate
>>> it. In fact, the only places that I do see this quotation are on
>>> antivaccine web sites. Surely, in the interest of *honest discussion*
>>> you can provide us the evidence we need to independently evaluate your
>>> assertions.
>>
>>I don't have the entire text of Dr. Sabin's speech.
>>
>>Nevertheless, I'm not aware of a single case when a reputable alt site
>>posted a fake quote. Therefore, I give it a very high probability
>>that this particular quote from Dr. Sabin is valid.
>
>How amusing. I guess you've never heard the old saying that a lie can
>circle the earth while the truth is still putting its boots on.
>
>Given that Sabin spent his whole career on vaccines and was much in
>favor of them, it's highly unlikely the quotation is accurate.

Dr Sabin died in 1993 so he is not able to defend himself against the
liars who are polluting his memory. I have written to the Sabin
Institute to see if anyone knows what, if anything, Dr Sabin ever said
that could be twisted into the "quote".

>
>>How about this one from Dr Morris?
>>
>>Yuri.
>>
>>Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>>
>>"There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunisation of children
>>does more harm than good." -- Dr J Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine
>>Control Officer, FDA.
>
>Unless you can provide a source for this (like when did he say it and
>where), I see no reason to believe it's accurate either.
>Interestingly, if you stick that "quotation" into google, you also
>find it attributed to Dr Klenner, the 'vitamin C cures all' guy that
>whale.to likes to venerate.

Imagine! Another fraudulent "quote".
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From: Mark Probert on
Peter Bowditch wrote:
> wright(a)l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote:
>
>> In article <4c3f0$474a4cb4$d8fea180$6137(a)PRIMUS.CA>,
>> Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku(a)trends.ca> wrote:
>>> "Vaccine-man" <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:a7b92016-a172-457f-9608-22bf6b95dcaa(a)t47g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Nov 25, 7:40 pm, yu0...(a)gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 23, 8:13 pm, wri...(a)l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote:
>>>>>> In the fraudulent "quotation."
>>>>> The quotation is not fraudulent.
>>>> Yuri, can you provide the entire text of Dr. Sabin's speech so that we
>>>> can all evaluate its context? I have searched Google and cannot locate
>>>> it. In fact, the only places that I do see this quotation are on
>>>> antivaccine web sites. Surely, in the interest of *honest discussion*
>>>> you can provide us the evidence we need to independently evaluate your
>>>> assertions.
>>> I don't have the entire text of Dr. Sabin's speech.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, I'm not aware of a single case when a reputable alt site
>>> posted a fake quote. Therefore, I give it a very high probability
>>> that this particular quote from Dr. Sabin is valid.
>> How amusing. I guess you've never heard the old saying that a lie can
>> circle the earth while the truth is still putting its boots on.
>>
>> Given that Sabin spent his whole career on vaccines and was much in
>> favor of them, it's highly unlikely the quotation is accurate.
>
> Dr Sabin died in 1993 so he is not able to defend himself against the
> liars who are polluting his memory. I have written to the Sabin
> Institute to see if anyone knows what, if anything, Dr Sabin ever said
> that could be twisted into the "quote".
>
>>> How about this one from Dr Morris?
>>>
>>> Yuri.
>>>
>>> Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>>>
>>> "There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunisation of children
>>> does more harm than good." -- Dr J Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine
>>> Control Officer, FDA.
>> Unless you can provide a source for this (like when did he say it and
>> where), I see no reason to believe it's accurate either.
>> Interestingly, if you stick that "quotation" into google, you also
>> find it attributed to Dr Klenner, the 'vitamin C cures all' guy that
>> whale.to likes to venerate.
>
> Imagine! Another fraudulent "quote".

Like the Pasteur one?
From: Yuri Kuchinsky on

"Vaccine-man" <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f422235a-cfa4-4b20-80d6-fc460974d5cf(a)n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 25, 9:34 pm, "Yuri Kuchinsky" <y...(a)trends.ca> wrote:
>
>> I don't have the entire text of Dr. Sabin's speech.
>
> Have you ever read or heard a recording of his speech? If not, how can
> you be certain if it was ever made or, if it was, in what context this
> quote may have been made?
>
>> Nevertheless, I'm not aware of a single case when a reputable alt site
>> posted a fake quote. Therefore, I give it a very high probability that
>> this
>> particular quote from Dr. Sabin is valid.
>
> Can you explain under what possible circumstances that Dr. Sabin would
> make a comment condemning vaccines, yet continue his career's work and
> establishing a pro-vaccine organization, the Sabin Vaccine Institute?
>
> http://sabin.org/about/sabin_mission.html
>
>> How about this one from Dr Morris?
>
> I'd like to resolve the one regarding Dr. Sabin first, if you don't
> mind. No sense in distractions.

There's no evidence that this quote from Sabin is incorrect. I'm sorry it
doesn't fit into your world view, but it's not my fault...

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku

"Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in
the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases
against which they were supposed to provide protection." -- Dr A. Sabin,
developer of the Oral Polio vaccine.



From: Yuri Kuchinsky on

"Vaccine-man" <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:39efe1cf-9515-4762-8c65-f5ff950687d6(a)w34g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 25, 9:28 pm, "Yuri Kuchinsky" <y...(a)trends.ca> wrote:
>> "Vaccine-man" <ziggit...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:f84e577c-ce38-467b-b307-74260993b4ce(a)d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Nov 25, 7:46 pm, "Yuri Kuchinsky" <y...(a)trends.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >> Since polio is most likely just a form of chemical poisoning, it won't
>> >> be
>> >> too surprising that the symptoms of polio may result from vaccines.
>>
>> >> Yuri.
>>
>> > So why was it, then, that the only ones who got polio received
>> > immunizations from the *improperly* inactivated Cutter vaccine (i.e.,
>> > still contained infectious polio virus), while those who received the
>> > *properly* inactivated Cutter vaccine did not get polio? The only
>> > difference between the lots was that the one that caused polio didn't
>> > have enough formalin in it. Everything else between the lots was
>> > identical.
>>
>> Hmm... interesting. You cite a case of iatrogenic disease to prove the
>> validity of mainstream medicine? :(
>
> Sorry, no curve balls allowed. You stated that polio is most likely a
> form of chemical poisoning (see your words above, preserved here for
> posterity). Yet when two groups of people receive vaccines that only
> differed in the amount of formalin (resulting in one with infectious
> polio virus because of too little formalin), only those who received
> the improperly prepared vaccine developed polio. There is no other
> explanation but that polio virus causes polio.

I'm sure there are other explanations.

> It cannot be chemically-
> induced; your argument is disproved.
>
>> I don't buy your account of the Cutter incident.
>
> It's not my account. What don't you "buy" about it?
>
>> The whole dirty business
>> stinks to high heaven. There's no silk purse in this sow's ear...
>
> Personal incredulity and colorful metaphors are note the path to good
> decisions.

Does this egregious case of medical malpractice constitute your best
evidence for the validity of the official polio story?

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku

"Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in
the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases
against which they were supposed to provide protection." -- Dr A. Sabin,
developer of the Oral Polio vaccine.