From: Vaccine-man on
On Nov 22, 12:47 pm, "JOHN" <j...(a)nospam.com> wrote:

> they call it acute flaccid paralysis now in 3rd world

AFP is simply the description of a condition. There are many things
that can cause AFP, including polioviruses.
From: Peter Bowditch on
Vaccine-man <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Nov 22, 10:51 am, yu0...(a)gmail.com wrote:
>> Anyone who's really interested in the history of polio, and how the
>> polio epidemics correlate with pesticide production, will do well to read
>> the following article by Jim West,
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/harpub/pol_all.htm
>>
>> Polio was a new disease (which should already be quite suspicious),
>> and it
>> was never really 'eradicated'. The same types of symptoms are still
>> quite
>> prevalent, they are just given different names/diagnoses.
>
>Polio was first described in 1789.
>
>> Polio vaccines
>> didn't really help anyone, as Dr. Sabin seems to confirm below.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Yuri.
>>
>> "Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in
>> the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the
>> diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection." -- Dr A.
>> Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine.
>
>Me smells a rat. It's rather funny that someone would attribute this
>to Sabin, since the Sabin Vaccine Institute's principal goal is
>immunization. Why would Sabin say such a thing, yet continue to
>advocate for vaccination, even after his death? I suspect this
>quotation, if real, is taken out of context. If so, then you would be
>propagating a fraud. Can you please provide the entire text of Dr.
>Sabin's comments?

A Google search turns up two classes of places where the quote
appears: Anti-vaccination liar web sites and Usenet posts. Ergo, Sabin
never said it.

(It is mentioned once in the Snopes discussion forum, where people
came to the same conclusion that I did.)

Just another lie told by anti-vaccination liars.
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From: trigonometry1972 on


I'll suggest Polio has always been around. In the past people
didn't realise that infantile paralysis was Polio. Before germ theory
and modern sanitation, it is likely most infant or small children
caught the virus early in life with most only having a case
of mild diarrhea. Even in ancient times, some had symptoms
that match those infantile paralysis (polio) with whithered limbs.

I'll suggest this is a case of noncausative correlation.

Don't get me wrong, DDT and similar chemical likely have had
and still have adverse effects. DDT in birds and likely
in mammals has adverse effects on the calcium absorption by
way of antagonist effect to vitamin D. Given the vitamin D
is now seen to have a wide range effects, it would follow
DDT would have a wide range of adverse effects. Resulting in more
cancers, more autoimmune disorders, weaken shells and weaken
bones.

From: The One True Zhen Jue on
On Nov 23, 12:02 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...(a)ratbags.com> wrote:
> Vaccine-man <ziggit...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 22, 10:51 am, yu0...(a)gmail.com wrote:
> >> Anyone who's really interested in the history of polio, and how the
> >> polio epidemics correlate with pesticide production, will do well to read
> >> the following article by Jim West,
>
> >>http://www.geocities.com/harpub/pol_all.htm
>
> >> Polio was a new disease (which should already be quite suspicious),
> >> and it
> >> was never really 'eradicated'. The same types of symptoms are still
> >> quite
> >> prevalent, they are just given different names/diagnoses.
>
> >Polio was first described in 1789.
>
> >> Polio vaccines
> >> didn't really help anyone, as Dr. Sabin seems to confirm below.
>
> >> Regards,
>
> >> Yuri.
>
> >> "Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in
> >> the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the
> >> diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection." -- Dr A.
> >> Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine.
>
> >Me smells a rat. It's rather funny that someone would attribute this
> >to Sabin, since the Sabin Vaccine Institute's principal goal is
> >immunization. Why would Sabin say such a thing, yet continue to
> >advocate for vaccination, even after his death? I suspect this
> >quotation, if real, is taken out of context. If so, then you would be
> >propagating a fraud. Can you please provide the entire text of Dr.
> >Sabin's comments?
>
> A Google search turns up two classes of places where the quote
> appears: Anti-vaccination liar web sites and Usenet posts. Ergo, Sabin
> never said it.
>
> (It is mentioned once in the Snopes discussion forum, where people
> came to the same conclusion that I did.)
>
> Just another lie told by anti-vaccination liars.

Bingo! They couldn't just lie about what Pasteur said, they lie about
what anyone says.
Heck, Jan Drew even lies about what SHE says.




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From: Mark Probert on
Vaccine-man wrote:
> On Nov 22, 10:51 am, yu0...(a)gmail.com wrote:
>> Anyone who's really interested in the history of polio, and how the
>> polio epidemics correlate with pesticide production, will do well to read
>> the following article by Jim West,
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/harpub/pol_all.htm
>>
>> Polio was a new disease (which should already be quite suspicious),
>> and it
>> was never really 'eradicated'. The same types of symptoms are still
>> quite
>> prevalent, they are just given different names/diagnoses.
>
> Polio was first described in 1789.
>
>> Polio vaccines
>> didn't really help anyone, as Dr. Sabin seems to confirm below.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Yuri.
>>
>> "Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in
>> the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the
>> diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection." -- Dr A.
>> Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine.
>
> Me smells a rat. It's rather funny that someone would attribute this
> to Sabin, since the Sabin Vaccine Institute's principal goal is
> immunization. Why would Sabin say such a thing, yet continue to
> advocate for vaccination, even after his death? I suspect this
> quotation, if real, is taken out of context. If so, then you would be
> propagating a fraud. Can you please provide the entire text of Dr.
> Sabin's comments?

Well, no one could accuse you of being olfactory challenged. I did a
search on several different text strings in that alleged quotation. I
checked the first thirty hits for each search.

Every single hits was an anti-vaccination site.