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From: kez on 5 Jan 2006 20:08 I have quit smoking it, and saw today on the news that the home secretary is considering putting it up a band to B, the reason being that it makes you crazy. I think I agree now that for a lot of people it would make you crazy. I think though for a lot of people it is recreational crazyness. There is also the so-called "buzz" that you get from it, which I never thought about much. People seem to use it to get in a party mood, or to get reflective, or to get spiritual, or to relax. You can't do all those things at once, and if you have one guy who wants to party and one guy who wants to relax smoking together, things are bound to go wrong. I am also quitting alcohol for now as I think that too is affecting my mental health. -- kez
From: Rowland McDonnell on 5 Jan 2006 22:01 kez <kelseylewis(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > I have quit smoking it, and saw today on the news that the home secretary is > considering putting it up a band to B, the reason being that it makes you > crazy. It doesn't. It's just that it's a powerful psychoactive drug and if you've got head problems and you take a powerful psychoactive drug not under sensible control, you're likely to cause yourself problems. That's what the research shows. If you don't have head problems, cannabis won't give you them. Since you are posting on a depression support group, however... Cannabis psychosis, beloved of modern GPs, has the same sort of reality as the `hysteria' of Victorian medicine. Note also that quite a lot of the `cannabis' on sale in this country is not cannabis at all, but a mixture of ground up leaves, colouring, plasticiser, and a *tiny* bit of the real thing. They call it `soap'. The colouring is often `whatever brown stuff is around the house' - could be Oxo, could be brown powder paint, or who knows what else. Plasticiser can be oil or worse. If you must smoke dope, try to get grass or if not, resin from a *reliable* supplier - at least you won't be poisoning yourself. There's stuff out there on the Web on how to spot these `Soap' bars if you search. btw, there has been no change in the number of people smoking dope since they changed the classification. There is therefore no reason to change the classification. Note also that since cannabis was made illegal, the number of people using it has increased fairly steadily to the current epidemic proportions. But in Holland, where cannabis is more or less legal, a far smaller fraction of the population consumes it than in the UK. It's therefore obvious that if the government wants to reduce cannabis use, it should adopt the Dutch model. This would also help reduce organised crime and cut customs and excise and police bills. Big wins all round - they'd be crazy to do anything but tax and regulate the stuff. Oh. Yes... Sorry - it's the government, isn't it? They *are* crazy. >I think I agree now that for a lot of people it would make you crazy. But not crazier than beer makes people - put it in perspective. If you want really crazy-juice, talk about speed and LSD and the like. Amphetamines are really evil drugs when overused. I have seen others overdo 'em. Very unpretty. In one case, Mr Love-and-peace got turned into a `You calling my pint a poof?' bar-room aggressor. > I think though for a lot of people it is recreational crazyness. There is > also the so-called "buzz" that you get from it, which I never thought about > much. People seem to use it to get in a party mood, or to get reflective, or > to get spiritual, or to relax. You can't do all those things at once, and if > you have one guy who wants to party and one guy who wants to relax smoking > together, things are bound to go wrong. Not necessarily. All depends on too many things. > I am also quitting alcohol for now as I think that too is affecting my > mental health. Big time yes. Frankly, if you *have* got head problems, lay off the booze and the weed and don't even think about going near E, or speed, or LSD, or... In fact, I suspect giving up tobacco might help quite a lot of people with head problems. Too much coffee ain't good either. Frankly, you want to be eating lots of fresh fruit and veg, drinking lots of water, getting plenty of fresh air and exercise and generally treating your body as a temple an' all that. Back here on planet Earth, however - well, I often don't see the outside world for days on end. But consider also: Lemmy from Motorhead has been taking huge amounts of recreational drugs for a very long time. Take a look at him - somehow, he's avoided becoming a rock casualty. `You've got to concentrate' is what he says about that sort of thing. I.e., you've got to monitor yourself, monitor your drug intake and response, and make damned sure that you do *NOT* let yourself go off the rails or overdo it. And he has suffered depression and I don't know what else. But are *you* that good at it? I'm not... Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org PGP pub key 0x62DCCA78 Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org UK biker? Join MAG and help keep bureaucracy at bay
From: humble.life on 6 Jan 2006 00:30 Rowland McDonnell wrote: > kez <kelseylewis(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > > >>I have quit smoking it, and saw today on the news that the home secretary is >>considering putting it up a band to B, the reason being that it makes you >>crazy. > > > It doesn't. It's just that it's a powerful psychoactive drug and if > you've got head problems and you take a powerful psychoactive drug not > under sensible control, you're likely to cause yourself problems. > That's what the research shows. If you don't have head problems, > cannabis won't give you them. Since you are posting on a depression > support group, however... > > Cannabis psychosis, beloved of modern GPs, has the same sort of reality > as the `hysteria' of Victorian medicine. > > Note also that quite a lot of the `cannabis' on sale in this country is > not cannabis at all, but a mixture of ground up leaves, colouring, > plasticiser, and a *tiny* bit of the real thing. They call it `soap'. > The colouring is often `whatever brown stuff is around the house' - > could be Oxo, could be brown powder paint, or who knows what else. > Plasticiser can be oil or worse. If you must smoke dope, try to get > grass or if not, resin from a *reliable* supplier - at least you won't > be poisoning yourself. There's stuff out there on the Web on how to > spot these `Soap' bars if you search. > > btw, there has been no change in the number of people smoking dope since > they changed the classification. There is therefore no reason to change > the classification. Note also that since cannabis was made illegal, the > number of people using it has increased fairly steadily to the current > epidemic proportions. But in Holland, where cannabis is more or less > legal, a far smaller fraction of the population consumes it than in the > UK. > > It's therefore obvious that if the government wants to reduce cannabis > use, it should adopt the Dutch model. This would also help reduce > organised crime and cut customs and excise and police bills. Big wins > all round - they'd be crazy to do anything but tax and regulate the > stuff. Oh. Yes... Sorry - it's the government, isn't it? They *are* > crazy. > > >>I think I agree now that for a lot of people it would make you crazy. > > > But not crazier than beer makes people - put it in perspective. If you > want really crazy-juice, talk about speed and LSD and the like. > Amphetamines are really evil drugs when overused. I have seen others > overdo 'em. Very unpretty. In one case, Mr Love-and-peace got turned > into a `You calling my pint a poof?' bar-room aggressor. > > >>I think though for a lot of people it is recreational crazyness. There is >>also the so-called "buzz" that you get from it, which I never thought about >>much. People seem to use it to get in a party mood, or to get reflective, or >>to get spiritual, or to relax. You can't do all those things at once, and if >>you have one guy who wants to party and one guy who wants to relax smoking >>together, things are bound to go wrong. > > > Not necessarily. All depends on too many things. > > >>I am also quitting alcohol for now as I think that too is affecting my >>mental health. > > > Big time yes. Frankly, if you *have* got head problems, lay off the > booze and the weed and don't even think about going near E, or speed, or > LSD, or... In fact, I suspect giving up tobacco might help quite a lot > of people with head problems. Too much coffee ain't good either. > Frankly, you want to be eating lots of fresh fruit and veg, drinking > lots of water, getting plenty of fresh air and exercise and generally > treating your body as a temple an' all that. Back here on planet Earth, > however - well, I often don't see the outside world for days on end. > > But consider also: Lemmy from Motorhead has been taking huge amounts of > recreational drugs for a very long time. Take a look at him - somehow, > he's avoided becoming a rock casualty. `You've got to concentrate' is > what he says about that sort of thing. I.e., you've got to monitor > yourself, monitor your drug intake and response, and make damned sure > that you do *NOT* let yourself go off the rails or overdo it. And he > has suffered depression and I don't know what else. But are *you* that > good at it? I'm not... > > Rowland. > Rowland, I think you're magnificent, man.
From: kez on 6 Jan 2006 14:06 "Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet> wrote in message news:1h8q29z.12f10lo3hllmkN%real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet... > kez <kelseylewis(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > >> I have quit smoking it, and saw today on the news that the home secretary >> is >> considering putting it up a band to B, the reason being that it makes you >> crazy. > > It doesn't. It's just that it's a powerful psychoactive drug and if > you've got head problems and you take a powerful psychoactive drug not > under sensible control, you're likely to cause yourself problems. > That's what the research shows. If you don't have head problems, > cannabis won't give you them. Since you are posting on a depression > support group, however... I have decided I know very little about cannabis. I was only a regular smoker for about a year, and I never hung out much with smokers. I know it was bad for me, and some of my friends, but we're all crazy, see? It's just that it's dawned on me now that it's risky stuff to smoke, for large numbers of people. It said on the news that 1 in 4 people will have mental illness sometime in their lives, 1 in 10 serious mental illness. That's a lot of people, and it is the mentally ill type people who go for cannabis anyway in my limited experience. > Cannabis psychosis, beloved of modern GPs, has the same sort of reality > as the `hysteria' of Victorian medicine. I think I see that now. It's become fashionable to lock kids up for going nutty on cannabis. I'm 100% natural nutty, having the bad (genetic?) luck to have schizophrenia. What makes it more mysterious is that schizophrenia strikes at about the same time, or just 2-3 years after, kids start smoking dope. I am reasoning here that kids start smoking dope hen they're about 14 or 15, and you get schizophrenia in it's mature form at about 17-20 years old, or so. I'm guessing that some of these kids smoke the weed because they're already heading for psychosis. Psychosis is an alluring thing at that age, you don't know what it is yet and it seems very mystical and magical and marvellous. I had to change my mind about what I was experiencing once I accepted my diagnosis of schizophrenia, to be against it. But it's still bloody good fun when you're psychotic. That's why many schizphrenics fight against treatment. I think some of this dope hysteria is a way of talking about psychosis without having to say schizophrenia, which is a word that frightens old ladies. > Note also that quite a lot of the `cannabis' on sale in this country is > not cannabis at all, but a mixture of ground up leaves, colouring, > plasticiser, and a *tiny* bit of the real thing. They call it `soap'. > The colouring is often `whatever brown stuff is around the house' - > could be Oxo, could be brown powder paint, or who knows what else. > Plasticiser can be oil or worse. If you must smoke dope, try to get > grass or if not, resin from a *reliable* supplier - at least you won't > be poisoning yourself. There's stuff out there on the Web on how to > spot these `Soap' bars if you search. > > btw, there has been no change in the number of people smoking dope since > they changed the classification. There is therefore no reason to change > the classification. Note also that since cannabis was made illegal, the > number of people using it has increased fairly steadily to the current > epidemic proportions. But in Holland, where cannabis is more or less > legal, a far smaller fraction of the population consumes it than in the > UK. > > It's therefore obvious that if the government wants to reduce cannabis > use, it should adopt the Dutch model. This would also help reduce > organised crime and cut customs and excise and police bills. Big wins > all round - they'd be crazy to do anything but tax and regulate the > stuff. Oh. Yes... Sorry - it's the government, isn't it? They *are* > crazy. > >>I think I agree now that for a lot of people it would make you crazy. > > But not crazier than beer makes people - put it in perspective. If you > want really crazy-juice, talk about speed and LSD and the like. > Amphetamines are really evil drugs when overused. I have seen others > overdo 'em. Very unpretty. In one case, Mr Love-and-peace got turned > into a `You calling my pint a poof?' bar-room aggressor. > >> I think though for a lot of people it is recreational crazyness. There is >> also the so-called "buzz" that you get from it, which I never thought >> about >> much. People seem to use it to get in a party mood, or to get reflective, >> or >> to get spiritual, or to relax. You can't do all those things at once, and >> if >> you have one guy who wants to party and one guy who wants to relax >> smoking >> together, things are bound to go wrong. > > Not necessarily. All depends on too many things. I say that from personal experience. One guy I was smoking with complained like a muthafuka if I got to quiet. He wanted me to get a party head on and get excited and talkative. That's another reason to stop smoking, it's too easy for the experience to be totally ruined by stress like that, or worse. >> I am also quitting alcohol for now as I think that too is affecting my >> mental health. > > Big time yes. Frankly, if you *have* got head problems, lay off the > booze and the weed and don't even think about going near E, or speed, or > LSD, or... In fact, I suspect giving up tobacco might help quite a lot > of people with head problems. Too much coffee ain't good either. > Frankly, you want to be eating lots of fresh fruit and veg, drinking > lots of water, getting plenty of fresh air and exercise and generally > treating your body as a temple an' all that. Back here on planet Earth, > however - well, I often don't see the outside world for days on end. > > But consider also: Lemmy from Motorhead has been taking huge amounts of > recreational drugs for a very long time. Take a look at him - somehow, > he's avoided becoming a rock casualty. `You've got to concentrate' is > what he says about that sort of thing. I.e., you've got to monitor > yourself, monitor your drug intake and response, and make damned sure > that you do *NOT* let yourself go off the rails or overdo it. And he > has suffered depression and I don't know what else. But are *you* that > good at it? I'm not... > > Rowland. Lemmy eh? I prefer Bob Marley he's much more chilled out. -- kez
From: ChrisC on 6 Jan 2006 16:17
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:06:37 -0000, "kez" <kelseylewis(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >But it's still bloody good fun when you're psychotic. That's why many >schizphrenics fight against treatment. I totally agree with you. Life is more interesting when psychotic. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. -- "We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts." - Buddha in the Dhammapada - ChrisC |