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From: Kaz Kylheku on 5 Aug 2008 16:07
On 2008-08-05, molecule12(a)gmail.com <molecule12(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> It's one thing to say low carb but really it's low "bad" carbs are
> what you really want to do. Don't forget about the good carbs. That's
> what you are going to eat to fill you like lettuce, green beans,
> broccoli. All your green vegetables are wonderful for you and they
> are really carbohydrates! It's the starch you need you be concerned
> about.

I eat rice for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Mostly short-grained white Japanese
rice, with some genmai (Japanese brown rice) mixed in.

I am quite slim. For the past four years, though my body fat level has
had its little fluctuations, I have always been able to see at least the
general outline of my abs.

That's because I have not deceived myself into thinking that I can eat
arbitrary quantities of food, just as long as it is free of some ``evil''
ingredient.

> Years ago, it was thought that you should eat bread before more
> fatty foods which is absolutely the wrong thing to do.

Overeating is the wrong thing to do.

If you like bread, there is no reason to deny yourself.

Just don't consume calories at a faster rate than you are able to burn.

> You will never be full without carbs

Protein is the most satisfying food, followed by carbs, and fat in third place.
Protein has a small number of calories, effectively. When you take into account
its processing cost, it only has less than 3 kcal per gram. Protein-rich foods
are not calorie-dense either by weight or volume (other than perhaps refined
protein). This means you can eat a very large quantity of high-protein food
that is low in fat. If you tried to get all your daily calories from protein
alone, not only would you not have trouble staying full, you'd have to gorge.

Oh, and excess protein turns to glucose; by eating enough protein, you are not
denying your brain and muscles of premium fuel, as the anti-protein nutcases
claim, and protein is not harmful to healthy kidneys.

> the good ones and they are practically no
> calories to fill you. Don't you agree?

Some ``good'' carbs do have plenty of calories.

Though, of course, no vegetable or seed in its natural state is ever quite as
calorie-dense as dry, refined carbohydrate (sugar, refined starch,
maltodextrin, etc), some ``good'' carbs do pack plenty of calories from
carbohydrate.
From: Kaz Kylheku on 5 Aug 2008 16:25
On 2008-08-05, DB <DeeBee(a)netscape.net> wrote:
>
> "Doug Freyburger" <dfreybur(a)yahoo.com> wrote in
>
>> You will never be full without carbs,
>
> Utterly false. Have you ever even eaten a steak?
>
>> the good ones and they are practically no
>> calories to fill you.
>
> Straight from every popular low carb book.
> --------------------------
>
> Fat fills you faster and last longer too!
>
> Fat keeps you from gorging on more calories than you need as well, so the
> end result is you eat less calories than if you were on a high carb way of
> life.

Though it's ultimately about calories, I've never seen anyone with a halfway
wortwhile body advocate ad lib high-fat eating.

Fat is the most calorie-dense, least filling food. In food, fat is usually
found in its dense form. A tiny quantity of fat has an astonishing number of
calories, yet you would hardly notice consuming it.

Among protein, carbs and fat, the processing of fat incurs the smallest energy
cost, too; dietary fat converts to adipose fat more easily than carbs of
protein.

If you can control your caloric intake on a high fat diet, and maintain a
nicely defined beach body, kudos to your superhuman self-discipline.
From: Susan on 5 Aug 2008 16:47
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Kaz Kylheku wrote:

> Though it's ultimately about calories, I've never seen anyone with a halfway
> wortwhile body advocate ad lib high-fat eating.
>
> Fat is the most calorie-dense, least filling food. In food, fat is usually
> found in its dense form. A tiny quantity of fat has an astonishing number of
> calories, yet you would hardly notice consuming it.
>
> Among protein, carbs and fat, the processing of fat incurs the smallest energy
> cost, too; dietary fat converts to adipose fat more easily than carbs of
> protein.
>
> If you can control your caloric intake on a high fat diet, and maintain a
> nicely defined beach body, kudos to your superhuman self-discipline.

Boy, did you get that wrong, metabolically speaking.

Fat is not efficiently stored as fat, first, and second, it stimulates
neither glucagon nor insulin, so doesn't elicit a fat storage favorable
hormonal response.

Second, calories aren't the single most important factor, though they
matter at some point. Low carb dieters can usually eat far more
calories while losing more weight and less lean body mass than low fat
dieters due to fat being hormonally neutral and also contributing to
satiety by slowing digestion of other macronutrients into glucose.

Lots of high fat dieters are lean and fit. Someone who wants to get
completely shredded will have to restrict everything but lean protein at
some point, but for most folk's purposes, fat is one of only two
essential macronutrients, and more than 30% in the diet is necessary for
optimal immune and brain function.

Susan
From: jcderkoeing on 5 Aug 2008 18:38

"Kaz Kylheku" <kkylheku(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:20080805121729.324(a)gmail.com...
> On 2008-08-05, molecule12(a)gmail.com <molecule12(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I eat rice for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Mostly short-grained white
> Japanese
> rice, with some genmai (Japanese brown rice) mixed in.
>

So why are you participating in a low carb newsgroup?

Have you always been an idiot or is this something you've worked on?


From: Kaz Kylheku on 5 Aug 2008 21:19
On 2008-08-05, jcderkoeing <jcderkoenig(a)ibm.com> wrote:
>
> "Kaz Kylheku" <kkylheku(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:20080805121729.324(a)gmail.com...
>> On 2008-08-05, molecule12(a)gmail.com <molecule12(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I eat rice for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Mostly short-grained white
>> Japanese
>> rice, with some genmai (Japanese brown rice) mixed in.
>>
>
> So why are you participating in a low carb newsgroup?

This is a discussion group where everyone is entitled to his opinion,
provided it is on topic.

If you want to create an idelogical ground where dissenting opinions are
suppressed, set up your own forum on your own server somewhere, or a site which
gives you the controls to suppress opposition to your dogma. On Usenet, all
we have your personal kill file.

Not that it matters, but my eating rice doesn't prove that I'm not eating
low-carb; people eat as much as 100g per day and claim to be low-carbing.

Nobody has elected you king of Usenet, nor the keeper of the definition of
low-carb.

> Have you always been an idiot or is this something you've worked on?

An idiot is someone who thinks that food energy can just disappear into another
dimension.

Or someone who keeps ``dieting'' for years, is still a fat, and claims that
it's not only working for him, but actually feels comfortable evangelizing the
nonworking approach to others!
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