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From: TheSincerelyIncrediblyFreakinInsanelySimplyAmazingGrandPuppyChildPussyBirdyGoatFerettAndHorseyWizard on 7 Aug 2007 19:07 HOWEDY diddler you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable mental case and and backyard puppy miller / professional dog trainin FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST, "diddy" <none> wrote in message news:Xns997EDF55E2C22diddydiddynet(a)216.196.97.142... > so many of the old timers remember > bethf and her dogs kavik and toklat You mean BINACA bethFIST? For SHORE! She's a professional dog trainer just like you, diddler. > Many of us have been entertained by the > Kavik-cam, and videos of Kavik on Ice. INDEEDY! Too bad she didn't make a video of her sprayin BINACA in her dog's eyes to break his anXXXIHOWESNESS barkin in her OBEDIENCE CLASS <{}: ~ ( > > I just found out that Kavik died suddenly July > 19, while BethF was on a business trip. He PROBABLY died from separation anXXXIHOWESNESS. > There was no warning, Well, YES THERE WAS, diddler. > he simply had a blood clot to the brain. You mean he had a STROKE. > BethF is understandably very shocked, Not as much as Kavik was SHOCKED. > saddened, feeling cheated, and a little bit angry. Oh, you mean she's NORMAL. > I know many of us enjoyed Kavik for years. That so? > I'm disheartened to share with all of you > the news of his loss. Kavik was the Samoyed. Yeah. Here's his CASE HISTORY, diddler: From: YourDoggysMomma @HushMail.Com Date: 6 Jul 2005 20:08:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Anyone heard from Beth Child recently? From: "Child" <d...(a)alaskaSPAMFREE.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:45:22 -0900 Subject: Re: best way to stop barking > What do you do if the dog comes > but barks at the same time? "Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most Of The Dogs I Have In Classes Just Aren't That Interested In Praise," BINACA bethFIST <{); ~ ) > From: lucyaa...(a)claque.net (Lucy A. Afar) Date: 23 Oct 2004 03:12:46 Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop "Child" <d...(a)alaskaSPAMFREE.com> wrote in message <news:10n8965dvrg2ra5(a)corp.supernews.com>... > "Lucy A. Afar" <lucyaa...(a)claque.net> wrote in > message > > "Child" <d...(a)alaskaSPAMFREE.com> wrote in message > <news:10n0p1ltk0u1vad(a)corp.supernews.com>... > > > "Lucy A. Afar" lucyaa...(a)claque.net > > > wrote in message > > > > > > What makes you think that what the rest of > > > > > us do is either violent or doesn't produce good > > > > > results? > > > > > If a young healthy dog that was trained > > > > according to one of those generally accepted, > > > > mainstream methods is euthanized by her loving > > > > owner and trainer, then I do have reservations > > > > about the method AND its results, I confess. > > > > Likewise, if - according to one of those > > > > mainstream, generally accepted methods - a > > > > dog's life can be saved ONLY by inflicting > > > > physical pain on the dog, I do tend to think > > > > that the said method is violent - wouldn't > > > > you? > > > > > It's like someone offering to give you a good > > > > beating in order to make you behave in a way > > > > that allows you to live - would the fact that > > > > the beating saves yourlife make it less violent? > > > > Would it hurt less, or would it hurt more, if the > > > > person who administers the beating is the one you > > > > love most and whom you'd like with all your heart > > > > to trust? > > > > I have no understanding how this relates to the > > > question? > > > > Are you trying to imply that we are beating our dogs? > > > "Beating your dogs?" No, Beth, not you - you just > > step on your dog, to teach him manners: > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=v4r8kkfr257e1a%40corp.... > > > <<Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay > > away is to step on him once. Seriously.>> > > youve' never accidentally stepped on a > dog who is underfoot in the kitchen? Accidentally? Yes. Intentionally? Never. > if not, then you are either a liar, or have no dogs. "Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most Of The Dogs I Have In Classes Just Aren't That Interested In Praise," BINACA bethFIST <{); ~ ) > I do have dogs, and I'm not lying. The way it was phrased in your post, I understood it as you were advising the other person to step on the dog INTENTIONALLY - as a "best way to teach him to stay away". I'd be too glad to learn that I was wrong, because you were the last person I'd have expected to be cruel to her own dogs. The part about spraying aversives in the dog's face is still something that I can't understand: are you really doing that to your dogs? And is that better than praising the poor creature when barking, thus validating his dog behavior? > > and spray aversives in his face, to make > > him stop barking: > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=4pk56u48cmgjohk1qbkk7l... > > > << I sympathize with you - i received a great deal > > << of hostility for not getting my dogs barking and > > << whining under control at the dog club - apparently, > > << I wasn't trying hard enough. > > > I was given many different techniques to > > try from treating when quiet, from teaching > > bark-nobark and treating, from aversives (binaca > > and tobasco) and NOTHING worked. > > > Well, actually the binaca worked but after i got > > him in the eye it was not a possibility to be using > > that.>> Why not try the terribly dangerous technique of > > praising Kavik when he barks? Do you think it could be > > worse than binaca in his eyes? > > Because it increases the incidence of barking, Jerry. "Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most Of The Dogs I Have In Classes Just Aren't That Interested In Praise," BINACA bethFIST <{); ~ ) > I'm not Jerry, and you know it. I have no interest in promoting Jerry's method -except that it works. FOR MY DOGS, yes - and much as Ilike to think that my dogs are special, reason prompts that they are not THAT special, or not in this particular way. I did try praising Bonnie for barking, and by simply going to check what was going on, by validating her behavior (she was just warning me that someone was coming, she was a GOOD DOG, for that) and telling her that she was a "good dog" was NOT supposed to reinforce the BARKING, but the idea that I knew why she was doing what she was doing, and that it was OK. And the fact is that this DID put an end to obsessive barking, almost instantly. So it did NOT increase the incidence of barking, Beth - just the contrary. I did this experiment with my dog, because it couldn't have made things worse than they already were - she was barking like mad each time when someone was passing in front of our door. And I was curious to see if this strange method worked, in such an extreme case. I don't expect you to believe me, but to claim that it would do this or that without checking and dismissing as "lies" all the reports of people like me who have tried and found out that the method worked is really not what I'd expect from an intelligent honest person. Especially when the best YOU can come with in order to solve this problem, is the binaca solution. From: Tara <tara.gre...(a)verizon.net Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 Subject: Re: Bad morning (vent) BethF wrote: > "ThePuppyWizard" <ThePuppyWiz...(a)netscape.net> > wrote in message > News:3E57C32F.7070...(a)netscape.net... >> Would you NOT spray BINACA in her eyes for this? > > You know, Jerry, it would probably behoove you to > pick on me about something that i didn't say was the > stupidest thing i ever did to my dog, wouldn't it? > Why don't you choose something that i currently do, > or something i approve of instead, because quite > frankly this is ancient history. Oh C'mon Beth, don't be a spoilsport. He's got to be able to grasp at *something*.....and straws are SO hard to come by these days. "Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most Of The Dogs I Have In Classes Just Aren't That Interested In Praise," BINACA bethFIST <{) ; ~ ) > Tara From: "BethF" <d...(a)alaskaREMOVETHIS.com> - Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 Subject: Re: Barking Deterrants Needed... Sally Hennessey" <greyho...(a)ncweb.com> wrote in message news:81q1ptk2so6qf73kbv9smbpe21acca2q6c(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 01:14:35 +0100, "roo" > <r...(a)kanga.net> wrote: > >> >Yell quiet, walk over and spray him in the mouth > >> >with it. He hates the binaca so it works, however > >> >I hit him in the face once and that was the end of that. > > >> Geez. You're lucky you didn't damage his eyes or > >> something. How about this: you ignore him when he > >> barks, and praise him when he's quiet so he > >> learns what "quiet" means. And if you're gone, > >> he's in the house. Not too many dogs bark > >> problematically when they're in the > >> house > > >> Sally Hennessey > > > I get the idea that greyhounds aren't problem > > barkers! Mine will bark anywhere, and when > > they are lying down. They are a barky breed mix. > > But I gave up water pistols with Rug years back after > > they stopped working - the initial shock did shut him > > up, then he got used to it. > Not normally. But Greyhounds aren't the only breed I > have, and I have had problem barkers. Northern > breeds don't tend to be barkers either, though they > can be talkers or rooers. I believe Beth has a > Sammy; I have Siberians. It's true that I have no > experience with typically barky breeds such as > Shelties. Regardless of my level of experience > with barky breeds, I still don't think that spraying > Binaca in a dog's mouth (or in its face, if you > miss) is a good way to handle barking. Actually, the most common use of this technique (and it is quite common) is with TABASCO sauce either mixed with water in a spray bottle or on a rag that you can stick in the dogs mouth instead of spraying (after our experience I would suggest this method if I was going to use this technique again). My dog likes tabasco so that didnt' work for us. Binaca was suggested as an alternative from a very well respected dog trainer from the lower 48, however I don't think she counted on his flailing his head in a desperate attempt to get away from the sprayer causing me to miss. His vet reassured me that the binaca could do no serious damage, nor did it seem to hurt him badly - he just wiped his eye for a minute or so until I rinsed it out (which he seemed more pissed about than the actual spray). We went to the vet immediately who called me a jewish mother and sent us home. but I think that your assessment of to handle barking is based on your non-barking breeds - in some dogs the drive to bark is REALLY big, and it takes some big time discouragement to get rid of it. To be quite frank after trying months and months of different techniques the binaca was the only thing that worked. I wouldn't discredit the concept (although I do most certainly discredit the binaca sprayer as a good idea in case of issues like mine). From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...(a)earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:28:15 GMT Local: Tues, Aug 3 2004 2:28 pm Subject: Re: Questions about my new collie "Child" <d...(a)alaskaSPAMFREE.com> wrote in message news:10h0096hbia8vcb(a)corp.supernews.com... > "Tess" <man...(a)nospam.austchart.com.au> wrote in > message > news:eapug0h3k4r1q5nj6po8t2qaglhnap5dej(a)4ax.com... > > I'm trying to be good, but it's harder than I > > thought. At the moment we are doing about 15 > > mins a day, and the regular 45 minutes at obedience > > school. Today in the backyard he pretty much showed > > that if he doesn't do it, it's not because he doesn't > > know it. He sat, dropped, stayed, and recalled perfectly, > > but the minute 10 minutes> hit, boredom set in and he > > became stubborn. > ten minutes is fine. five minutes two > or three times a day is better. BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! "BethF" <b...(a)NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote in message news:v4r8kkfr257e1a(a)corp.supernews.com... > "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatri...(a)adelphia.net> > wrote in message > > Kyle, FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny, > and i often call my little dog the turd, because > he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i > would insult my dog like that so i guess its > just a matter of personality. > > Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is > to step on him once. Seriously. "Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most Of The Dogs I Have In Classes Just Aren't That Interested In Praise." ------------------------------------------------------ From: Beth F (d...(a)spamthis.alaska.com) Subject: Re: citronella collar and ultrasonic trainer Date: 2002-02-07 11:23:31 PST On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:23:59 GMT, "Lane Browning" <rainm...(a)att.net> wrote: >I agree about the whining, my dog isn't aware >he is doing it either...it's like a seizure >when he goes nuts, I can't even make eye >contact with him, he's on some other planet. >NOTHING reaches him. >no, not a Samoyed. actually a breed I >researched very carefully....sigh. I totally understand. And the samoyed thing was a bit of a joke - Kavik is a samoyed. I sympathize with you- i received a great deal of hostility for not getting my dogs barking and whining under control at the dog club - apparently, I wasn't trying hard enough. I was given many different techniques to try from treating when quiet, from teaching bark-nobark and treating, from aversives (binaca and tobasco) and NOTHING worked. Well, actually the binaca worked but after i got him in the eye it was not a possibility to be using that. Even yesterday Kavik and Toklat and I went for a four mile walk. IT took about an hour. In that hour Kavik barked basically the entire time. Not AT anything, not because he was insecure, unhappy or any of the other reasons folks here are going to tell me that dogs bark- he barked for sheer joy. BARK BARK BARK, I AM WALKING YAY BARK. I actually timed the amount of time he wasn't barking and it was a total of 7 minutes in 58 minutes. And because its outdoors, and in a place where folks aren't sleeping, I don't worry about it -its a good outlet for his bark drive. I also don't correct him when we are skiing - but if we go fast enough, the barking stops!! In any case, for places where its really inappropriate for him to bark - in the car when i am not present, or in the dog club in his crate when i am teaching, he wears a citronella collar. He understands that when he is wearing it, he shouldn't bark, at this point. He doesnt' even test it anymore. And I have been able to leave the collar off most of the time lately - he has learned that he shouldn't bark when left alone in the car at people or while in the crate. I believe both of these are "boredom barks" - barks to entertain onesself. However, if i am very lax about the collar and he doesnt' wear it for several weeks while in these situations the training wears off - so basically i do it randomly - once in awhile he wears the collar as a reminder. Quite frankly, I much preferred this method of training to MY applying the aversive - i am not the bad guy and he is completely in control of the correction. Clearly he understands what causes the correction. And I am not counting on my own powers of timing and accuracy to create the correction. --BethF, Anchorage, AK "BethF" <d...(a)alaska.com> wrote in message news:ugc7us32ki5fb9(a)corp.supernews.com... > "Frank" <flmarc...(a)netscape.net> wrote in message <news:20020610173326.01953.00000597(a)mb-fx.aol.com>... > > > >"brianev" bria...(a)attbi.com wrote: > > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and > > > > AGREED with what you had to say. > > > > I find it sick to hear what people > > > > do with their dogs. > > > > Keep in mind that everything he says that > > > the regular posters of this ng do to their > > > dogs are lies. > > > > All of it. Every last bit. > > > All of it? > > Ear pinching? > > Shock collars? > > Spiked chokers? > > The regulars lie more in their denials than > > Howe does in his accusing of them. > > Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything? > > Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself > would see denials when everyone has Jerry > killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts, > let alone respond to them. BWEEEEEAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!! You bums can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE. The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) > "No trumpets sound when the important decisions of our life are made." Would you bet your life on that? Don't bet on it... you'll lose. "Destiny is made known silently." -- Agnes DeMille You're dead wrong, Agnes. Destiny is our divine plan carefully orchestrated and publicly set into motion at the moment of creation. Fate is our vehicle. There are no accidents, no unforeseen events, just choices based on our human nature. We are responsible for HOWE we reach our destiny. We control our fate, our destiny, doesn't. Nothing happens by accident or coincidence. Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research at UofWI, marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation," dermer: "At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases then you will have achieved too things. First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased; and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher. How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted biting. **********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************ When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above). "No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog" to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p. BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!! That's INSANE. Ain't it. The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } > P.S. Contacting Dr. P: Please note that due to the large number of requests I receive, I can no longer give free, personal advice on problems related to dog training and behavior. In order for me to give such advice we would have to "talk" about the problem at length That is, I would need detailed information about the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem, and the situation in which the problem occurs. Thus, this type of consultation takes time which I cannot afford to give away for free. If you wish such advice, please see the information I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, & newsgroup discussions. P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!! YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer! Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS BUSINESS. "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them, you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys." Chief Dan George "Rootman" <no-...(a)nowhere.org> wrote in message news:vd83djr9fv0cc0(a)corp.supernews.com... > Mini Adolph Hitler (aka megalomanic) wrote: > <snipped> > Something else that was completely stupid, > ignorant false and nongermane. > JH, you are a goosestepping, facist, brownshirt, > terrorist supporting, nazi thug. YOU hurt and kill > dogs then try and cover it up by dreaming up false > quotes to support your own retard methods. > Go and practice your wild facism somewhere else. ------------------------------------------------------- "(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars here who are either ill- tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)," --Marshall "If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow," John Wayne. The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) > From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...(a)csd.uwm.edu> To: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...(a)earthlink.net> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard, I have, of late, come to recognize your genius and now must applaud your attempts to save animals from painful training procedures. You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent, who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to alert the world to animal abuse. We are lucky to have you, and more people should come to their senses and support your valuable work. Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit charity to fund your important work? Have you thought about holding a press conference so others can learn of your highly worthwhile and significant work? In closing, my only suggestion is that you try to keep your messages short for most readers may refuse to read a long message even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard. I wish you well in your endeavors. --Marshall Dermer -------------------------------------- The Amazing Puppy Wizard thought everyWON would AGREE. ALL EXXXCEPT HOWER MENTAL CASES who continue posting their lies and abuses. The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
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