From: Rich on

"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
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> "Robert" <sabu77(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
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>>> The Boom King <Boom!@spamsux.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Peter Bowditch wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> The Boom King <Boom!@spamsux.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>possibly developed by a medical professional who couldn't even define
>>the word
>>> >>>subluxation
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Please define the word "subluxation".
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Rather than parrot the words of some great doctor that came before me,
>>> >let me give you this link, if you're really interested. If you just
>>> >want to test me, I can put it in my own words (and actually have if you
>>> >read my post carefully).
>>>
>>> Please do.
>>>
>>> >
>>> >http://www.chiro.org/LINKS/FULL/VERTEBRAL_SUBLUXATION_1.html
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > Please tell us how to reliably detect such a thing.
>>> >
>>> >Honestly, no problem. I do it everyday for a living. But consider
>>> >first, posting the same 2 requests to a medical doctor and substituting
>>> >the word disease for subluxation.
>>>
>>> The words "disease" and "subluxation" are incommensurable. They are in
>>> different knowledge domains. A better substitution would be "sign" or
>>> "symptom".
>>>
>>> I ask a chiropractor: "Please tell us how to reliably detect a
>>> subluxation".
>>>
>>> I ask a doctor: "Please tell us how to reliably detect a fever".
>>>
>>Use a thermometer.
>>
>
> Precisely my point.

A subluximeter? ;o) Rich


From: Mark Thorson on
Peter Bowditch wrote:
>
> Ah, the old "you know Barrett so I won't talk to you" form of
> argument. I have links to chiropractors and Curezone as well.

That doesn't matter. He's looking for a reason
to invalidate everything you say and wiggle out
of responding to direct, logical questions.

One may as well ask the magician what's that
lump up his sleeve.
From: Mark Thorson on
Rich wrote:
>
> "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
> news:9d7g62t7eo1fbplebs3tuijuc6s2bivaj3(a)4ax.com...
> > "Robert" <sabu77(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >>"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
> >>news:7cuf629e10ttjs0k19p50a7m4msc3rb3go(a)4ax.com...
> >>>
> >>> I ask a chiropractor: "Please tell us how to reliably detect a
> >>> subluxation".
> >>>
> >>> I ask a doctor: "Please tell us how to reliably detect a fever".
> >>>
> >>Use a thermometer.
> >
> > Precisely my point.
>
> A subluximeter? ;o) Rich

There is such a device, though that's not what
it's called.

http://www.chirobase.org/06DD/nervoscope.html
From: Peter Bowditch on
Mark Thorson <nospam(a)sonic.net> wrote:

>Peter Bowditch wrote:
>>
>> Ah, the old "you know Barrett so I won't talk to you" form of
>> argument. I have links to chiropractors and Curezone as well.
>
>That doesn't matter. He's looking for a reason
>to invalidate everything you say and wiggle out
>of responding to direct, logical questions.

I know that, but it's fun to watch them squirm.

>
>One may as well ask the magician what's that
>lump up his sleeve.
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From: Mark Probert on
Jan Drew wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:RCH9g.14$Lz2.13(a)fe10.lga...
>> Max C. wrote:
>>> Mark Probert wrote:
>>>> You should spend some time figuring out what you are doing wrong to
>>>> cause repeated injury. I do a lot of lifting of my son to and from his
>>>> wheelchair and, so far, have not had a significant problem. I learned
>>>> how to lift a very time ago, and I think that is what does it. I plan
>>>> every lift.
>>> Oh, I know what I did wrong the first 2 times. I lifted without
>>> thinking it through first.
>> Exactly my point. Visualizing lifting from the point where you place your
>> feet to begin to the end point can prevent most lifting injuries.
>>
>> The 1st time was when I was a teen working
>>> at Wal-Mart. I lifted a case of Chlorox and twisted my upper body as I
>>> lifted.
>> Lifting has got to be separate from any other activity. The stress on the
>> paraspinals must be as even as possible.
>>
>>> It had to be, without a doubt, the worst pain of my life. I
>>> lived with that pain for over 2 years before I finally went to my first
>>> chiropractic visit. They fixed in less than 2 months what I had lived
>>> with for over 2 years.
>> You were lucky not to have direct impingement on the nerve roots. Two
>> years of wear causes long term residual problems.
>>
>> The second time was years later building a
>>> house. Same stupid thing, though. I lifted something heavy and
>>> twisted. Down I went.
>>>
>>> The last 2 times it has happened (one just a couple of months ago) have
>>> no explanation. I just wake up in severe pain. Nothing out of the
>>> oridinary the day before.
>> You may have had several small problems which accumulated over a period of
>> time until one incident triggered it. Remember that it is the imbalance of
>> the stress on the paraspinals which causes the most problems. After
>> several back injuries you become more susceptible to injury.
>>
>> I'm starting to suspect my bed. It *is*
>>> rather soft.
>> Soft beds do not help. Are you doing back exercises? I do them three times
>> a week, without fail. My son uses his dumbbells for his upper body while I
>> do my low back. Family plan.
>>
>>>>> Sounds like you got a doc that's trying to build a client base without
>>>>> enough clients.
>>>> On occasion one of my insurance company clients questions the frequency
>>>> of treatment a chiropractor is providing. We have set up a surveillance
>>>> camera outside of the chiropractors office and do a patient count. One
>>>> fellow was treating 30 patients an hour. He does not do workers
>>>> compensation any longer. Without that, a chiropractor in NY is out of
>>>> business.
>>> 30 an hour!?!? Just one doctor in the office? Yeah, there's something
>>> wrong there.
>> There have been a few.
>
> I greatly doubt that! That's another famous Exaggeration from the posts of
> Mark Probert!

Is this in the spirit of live and let live? Surely not.

How many chiropractors are within 15 miles of your home? According to
YahooLocal:

Local Results Results 1 - 10 out of 743 total results for chiropractor
in Merrick, NY 11566


Now, according to YahooLocal:

Local Results Results 1 - 10 out of 28 total results for chiropractor in
BlXXXXXXX, IN

> Been to several chiropractor's offices... never anything near 30 an hour..
> in fact... any good
> chiropractor never schedules over four in any hour.
> more than 4 an hour.

EXACTLY! My chiro sees 4-5 an hour, depending on how many new patients
are seen.

You said "good chiropractor" and that is not what I am talking about. I
am talking about "crooked chiropractor".

> However, the vast majority of chiros are honest
>> and sincere with there business practices.
>>
>> The worst case was an orthopedic surgeon. I did an undercover visit with a
>> false claim. There was nothing wrong with my back (MRI negative, EMG/NCV
>> negative, etc. the week before) and he diagnosed a back problem without
>> any significant lost of motion, etc. and recommended 3X a week PT in his
>> PT center. Just my complaints of low back and radicular pain, which were
>> intentionally, non-anatomical.
>>
>> Prosecuted, convicted and license pulled.

Hmmm...Jan, no comment?