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From: The Boom King on 14 May 2006 11:17
> To be sure, but when the patient, and say a third party payor ask the
> legitimate question; What are you doing exactly and how is it that you
> understand what you are doing? The answer that we don't understand
> everything in the universe, while quite true, doesn't cut it. To prattle on
> about "subluxation" and "nerve interference" is just plain too vague. Why do
> think Chiropractic was de-listed in Ontario and funds for drugs went up?
> That is because the drug companies provide researched explanations about
> their products, as hokey as they are.
Sadly, all too true.
I am a DOCTOR. Fully licensed by the federal and state government to
treat patients at my discretion. Educated and trained in the diagnosis
and treatment of VSC. I am also responsible to the State Board of
Examiners to behave ethically and within the scope of my practice.
Can anyone tell me how best to explain to a patient that some mid-level
office worker in an insurance company has read some guidelines, possibly
developed by a medical professional who couldn't even define the word
subluxation, and decided to modify the patients treatment plan by two
visits? Should they have the right to question a doctor's care plan?
Well, when the patient signs the policy and the doctor signs a network
contract, we give them that right. So they just charge exorbitant fees
for any policy that isn't managed. Insurance companies have accrued far
too much power in dictating the course of care in the US. I'm open to
suggestions as to how people get it back.
Their bottom line is profit, not the health of the patient. They don't
really care what exactly we're doing or how we understand it, they want
grounds to deny payment.
From: The Boom King on 14 May 2006 11:20
> Thank You for your great answer
> Stuart Hyderman BPE DC
> Edmonton Alberta
My pleasure and good luck up there.
From: Jan Drew on 14 May 2006 15:26
"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> Max C. wrote:
>> Mark Probert wrote:
>>> You should spend some time figuring out what you are doing wrong to
>>> cause repeated injury. I do a lot of lifting of my son to and from his
>>> wheelchair and, so far, have not had a significant problem. I learned
>>> how to lift a very time ago, and I think that is what does it. I plan
>>> every lift.
>> Oh, I know what I did wrong the first 2 times. I lifted without
>> thinking it through first.
> Exactly my point. Visualizing lifting from the point where you place your
> feet to begin to the end point can prevent most lifting injuries.
> The 1st time was when I was a teen working
>> at Wal-Mart. I lifted a case of Chlorox and twisted my upper body as I
> Lifting has got to be separate from any other activity. The stress on the
> paraspinals must be as even as possible.
>> It had to be, without a doubt, the worst pain of my life. I
>> lived with that pain for over 2 years before I finally went to my first
>> chiropractic visit. They fixed in less than 2 months what I had lived
>> with for over 2 years.
> You were lucky not to have direct impingement on the nerve roots. Two
> years of wear causes long term residual problems.
> The second time was years later building a
>> house. Same stupid thing, though. I lifted something heavy and
>> twisted. Down I went.
>> The last 2 times it has happened (one just a couple of months ago) have
>> no explanation. I just wake up in severe pain. Nothing out of the
>> oridinary the day before.
> You may have had several small problems which accumulated over a period of
> time until one incident triggered it. Remember that it is the imbalance of
> the stress on the paraspinals which causes the most problems. After
> several back injuries you become more susceptible to injury.
> I'm starting to suspect my bed. It *is*
>> rather soft.
> Soft beds do not help. Are you doing back exercises? I do them three times
> a week, without fail. My son uses his dumbbells for his upper body while I
> do my low back. Family plan.
>>>> Sounds like you got a doc that's trying to build a client base without
>>>> enough clients.
>>> On occasion one of my insurance company clients questions the frequency
>>> of treatment a chiropractor is providing. We have set up a surveillance
>>> camera outside of the chiropractors office and do a patient count. One
>>> fellow was treating 30 patients an hour. He does not do workers
>>> compensation any longer. Without that, a chiropractor in NY is out of
>> 30 an hour!?!? Just one doctor in the office? Yeah, there's something
>> wrong there.
> There have been a few.
I greatly doubt that! That's another famous Exaggeration from the posts of
Been to several chiropractor's offices... never anything near 30 an hour..
in fact... any good
chiropractor never schedules over four in any hour.
more than 4 an hour.
However, the vast majority of chiros are honest
> and sincere with there business practices.
> The worst case was an orthopedic surgeon. I did an undercover visit with a
> false claim. There was nothing wrong with my back (MRI negative, EMG/NCV
> negative, etc. the week before) and he diagnosed a back problem without
> any significant lost of motion, etc. and recommended 3X a week PT in his
> PT center. Just my complaints of low back and radicular pain, which were
> intentionally, non-anatomical.
> Prosecuted, convicted and license pulled.
From: Peter Bowditch on 14 May 2006 17:47
The Boom King <Boomemail@example.com> wrote:
>developed by a medical professional who couldn't even define the word
Please define the word "subluxation".
Please tell us how to reliably detect such a thing.
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From: The Boom King on 14 May 2006 19:08
Peter Bowditch wrote:
> The Boom King <Boomfirstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>>possibly developed by a medical professional who couldn't even define the word
> Please define the word "subluxation".
Rather than parrot the words of some great doctor that came before me,
let me give you this link, if you're really interested. If you just
want to test me, I can put it in my own words (and actually have if you
read my post carefully).
> Please tell us how to reliably detect such a thing.
Honestly, no problem. I do it everyday for a living. But consider
first, posting the same 2 requests to a medical doctor and substituting
the word disease for subluxation. Do you really want a comparable
answer or are you trying to imply it can't be done. The purpose of 4
years of chiropractic college is to learn to do just this. If you
really want a description of the methodology, OK, but after finding a
link to Barrett on your web site, I doubt you're really interested in an