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From: DelusionalDimensionsRecoveryDDR on 22 Jun 2008 18:38

"Paul E. Schoen" <pstech(a)smart.net> wrote in message
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> "tiny dancer" <tinydancer357(a)nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Michael A. Ball" <Guardian(a)wireco.net> wrote in message
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>>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:54:13 -0400, "tiny dancer"
>>> <tinydancer357(a)nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
>> Thank you Michael, for doing the work you do with animals.

michael MURDERS dogs at a "shelter".

>> I always look forward to reading your stories when you post.

INDEEDY~!

> Well said. I have always loved animals and sometimes felt that I have (or
> wish I could have) a special bond with them.

As does tiny dancer.

tiny dancer only wants to hunt Pit Bull Dogs with a gun:
3gwoj.63745$vt2.4...(a)bignews8.bellsouth.net

"I already own a S&W, .357 and it's neither large nor heavy. It's a
bit smaller, only six shots, whereas dh's holds seven. I've thought
of carrying that, but would prefer something else.

I'm looking for something to use against a rather large, aggressive
pit bull, just in case. I don't think a small .22 would even make a
dent. This is one of those block-headed, really wide-jawed, very
muscular pit bulls," td.

> I have even come to appreciate some creatures, often considered pests to
> be feared or killed on sight, such as spiders, ants, mice,
> snakes, wasps, termites, etc., and realize that each of them is just
> doing its job. And I enjoy meeting new animals that have the
> capacity to interact and communicate with humans, and experiencing the
> moment when they learn to trust you and start
> the process of bonding, recognition, and friendship.

Here's michael BONDING with his step
daughter's innocent defenseless dumb kat:

Newsgroups: alt.fifty-plus.friends
From: Michael A. Ball <Guard...(a)wireco.net>
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:52:34 -0400

Subject: Re: Superstitious?(sp)

On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:43:24 GMT,

**Dalin** <l...(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
> Care to tell us why you feel that way?
> I won't try and argue with you or change
> your mind, but what happened to put you
> off cats above all other creatures?

I've never liked cats, because their movements are too
much like those of rats. Since childhood, I viewed cats
as no more than targets.

On 12-23-95, I killed a cat that my wife had allowed her
daughter to bring into the house, as a pet, several days
earlier. The cat was a stray and having it in the house
was contrary to our agreement for living here.

My wife moved out , permanently, that night.

Ten months later, she moved out of this county--deliberately
withholding her new address. I haven't heard from her since.

Thank you for not trying to change my mind. I won't argue
about this issue. Many people hate cats; perhaps most of
them are more discrete about voicing their opinions. I
try not to say much, but sometimes, I can't resist.

Michael
Whatever it takes.

> As for the St Bernard, I remember when we first moved to Towson and I was
> about 12 or 13, we would walk our small black dog (intact and usually
> off-leash, as was common then), and we would see a St Bernard in a small
> chain link fence "cage" barely big enough for him to turn around in. I
> don't recall ever seeing this dog being walked or having interaction with
> its owners or other people, and we remarked how sad it was for him to be
> so restricted.

PERHAPS "ITS" owners didn't want IT to happen bye some
DOG an KAT MURDERIN IGNORAMEHOWES, eh, paulie?

LIKE THIS:

Paul E. Schoen on Sun Sep 02, 2007 wrote:
"I have a very vivid and terrible memory of the time when
my dog was viciously attacked by a larger dog in the woods
near our house. The girl who owned the dog was beating it
with a stick, and I stabbed it in the neck. Both dogs survived,
but after that, I always carried a stout stick with me when
walking our dog. This was back in the 60s, when leash laws
were very lax or non-existent, and before everybody was lawsuit
crazy, and when the few drug dealers and thugs in the few bad
areas of town were deathly afraid of all big dogs."

> I don't remember the details,

You remember NHOWE, paulie??

> but I hope he eventually got the chance to run and have a better life with
> someone who could provide for its needs.

Oh? Oh, you mean like HOWE you done for your
own DEAD KATS Meshon an Photon and your
"RESCUE" dog Lucky whom you DUMPED at
a KILL SHELTER where IT was PLACED within
WON WEEK, despite bein a PIT BULL, paulie?

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

> I am glad there are people like Michael who can continue
> to make the difficult but necessary decisions that are part
> of any animal rescue effort, and we can rejoice at the success stories,
> while we can provide moral support to
> him when he has no choice but to give a dog a few hours
> of comfort before being dispatched to the Bridge.

LIKE THIS:
Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: Michael A. Ball <Guard...(a)wireco.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:08:20 -0400


Subject: Euthanasia certification classes?


Who teaches euthanasia certification classes in most states? I live
in Tennessee. Are the classes usually open to anyone with the fee?
How much is the fee apt to be?


The shelter wants to keep me cleaning kennels the rest of my life,
but I would like to expand my capabilities. Thank you.
________________________
Whatever it takes.


BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!



> Paul and Muttley

"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt


"J1Boss" <j1b...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss

"sionnach" <rhyfe...(a)msn.com> wrote in message
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> "J1Boss" <j1b...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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> > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.

Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?

janet CONtinues:
> > My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are DOGS.
> > I don't have anything against electronic bark collars, but they
> > should be used in conjunction with actually working at training
> > your dog(s).

They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.

-------------------

LIKE THIS:

Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...(a)smart.net> wrote

It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),

Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death

"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...(a)smart.net> wrote

Hello everyone:

If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.

I will add a bit more history later in this post.

Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.

The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.

I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pushing his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.

Muttley took the opportunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.

That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.

When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.

She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.

She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.

"They can't all be saved".

<snip>
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...(a)smart.net> wrote

<snip>

If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience classes at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.

Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.

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BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Here's HOWER DOG LOVER PAL an janet's
REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:

#2 - 6/05/07

>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision
>> I was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.

> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm
> yanks on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.

>> She was able to get his attention with
>> just a quick tug, but I had to yank on it
>> hard enough to lift him off his feet to get
>> him to respond. Looking back now, I think
>> it was based on his fear, which he had for
>> her (as an unknown), but not for me
>> (whom he had learned to trust).

> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a
> confident trainer. Fear has no place in dog
> training, as I told you THEN.

> Janet

It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.

Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.

Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered

it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.

Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.

Paul and Muttley

----------------

"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step on the leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.

I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.

I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.

Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."

Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...(a)smart.net> wrote

It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),

-----------------------

THAT'S quite a SUCCESS STORY, ain't it, paulie?

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

HERE'S HOWE COME:

Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07

"Janet Boss" <janet(a)bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote in message
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It seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.

What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.

I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.

While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.

We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!


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