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From: Chuck on 29 Jul 2007 21:54
Moe,

Try http://www.jan.wvu.edu/links/adalinks.htm from my website
http://www.prostheticdesigners.com/amputee.htm

Curly


"Moe Jones" <moejones(a)hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:46ad1d10$0$63182$a726171b(a)news.hal-pc.org...
>� I can't understand why they don't have proper access. I remember I few
> months ago doing to a restaurant that had the bathroom upstairs. It's not
> like I live in the boonies.
>
> I know what you are talking about. I become a BK last November 2006 and
> have
> run into the same problem in the Houston area.
>
> I thought it was a law that places had to provide handicap parking and
> handicap bathrooms?
>
> Can anyone tell me where to look for this law?
>
> Here in the Houston area, when I want to drink a cold beer, I go to a
> placed
> called a ice house which is a building with garage doors and the beer is
> kept on ice.
>
> I have never seen a handicap parking at any ice house and when I was
> joking
> with the owner of the building I asked him where it was and he informed me
> that there was plenty handicap parking and then I ask him where? He then
> informed me they were at the grocery store two miles down the street.
>
> And when I asked about the handicap bathroom he walked next to the bar and
> showed me the 5 gal plastic bucket.
>
> Some times you just want to scream.
>
>
>
> --
> Moe Jones
> HVAC Service Technician
> Energy Equalizers Inc.
> Houston, Texas
> www.EnergyEqualizers.com
>
>
>


From: Moe Jones on 29 Jul 2007 22:36
Chuck wrote:
> Moe,
>
> Try http://www.jan.wvu.edu/links/adalinks.htm from my website
> http://www.prostheticdesigners.com/amputee.htm
>
> Curly
>
>
> "Moe Jones" <moejones(a)hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:46ad1d10$0$63182$a726171b(a)news.hal-pc.org...
>> � I can't understand why they don't have proper access. I remember I
>> few months ago doing to a restaurant that had the bathroom upstairs.
>> It's not like I live in the boonies.
>>
>> I know what you are talking about. I become a BK last November 2006
>> and have
>> run into the same problem in the Houston area.
>>
>> I thought it was a law that places had to provide handicap parking
>> and handicap bathrooms?
>>
>> Can anyone tell me where to look for this law?
>>
>> Here in the Houston area, when I want to drink a cold beer, I go to a
>> placed
>> called a ice house which is a building with garage doors and the
>> beer is kept on ice.
>>
>> I have never seen a handicap parking at any ice house and when I was
>> joking
>> with the owner of the building I asked him where it was and he
>> informed me that there was plenty handicap parking and then I ask
>> him where? He then informed me they were at the grocery store two
>> miles down the street. And when I asked about the handicap bathroom he
>> walked next to the
>> bar and showed me the 5 gal plastic bucket.
>>
>> Some times you just want to scream.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Moe Jones
>> HVAC Service Technician
>> Energy Equalizers Inc.
>> Houston, Texas
>> www.EnergyEqualizers.com

Thanks for the input.

I found the following:
MYTH: The government thinks everything is readily achievable.

FACT: Not true. Often it may not be readily achievable to remove
a barrier -- especially in older structures. Let's say a small
business is located above ground. Installing an elevator would
not, most likely, be readily achievable -- and there may not be
enough room to build a ramp -- or the business may not be
profitable enough to build a ramp. In these circumstances, the
ADA would allow a business to simply provide curbside service to
persons with disabilities.

Now with a smile I can go to the icehouse and ask them to go out to my truck
to deliver a beer but now how will they deliver it scarers me. :-0

--
Moe Jones
HVAC Service Technician
Energy Equalizers Inc.
Houston, Texas
www.EnergyEqualizers.com


From: robbie on 30 Jul 2007 13:15
I'm tempted to characterize you "friendly bar owner," but this is not
the place. Here in NJ, and it probably applies in most states,
building owners are not required to bring their buildings up to
current codes unless they want to renovate them and require a building
permit. Until that time, or until a building inspector determines a
building is unsafe for its use, no update is required despite the law.
The law has a provision for "grandfathering" existing building
conditions.

Bob
On Jul 29, 7:04 pm, "Moe Jones" <moejo...(a)hal-pc.org> wrote:
> Ø I can't understand why they don't have proper access. I remember I few
> months ago doing to a restaurant that had the bathroom upstairs. It's not
> like I live in the boonies.
>
> I know what you are talking about. I become a BK last November 2006 and have
> run into the same problem in the Houston area.
>
> I thought it was a law that places had to provide handicap parking and
> handicap bathrooms?
>
> Can anyone tell me where to look for this law?
>
> Here in the Houston area, when I want to drink a cold beer, I go to a placed
> called a ice house which is a building with garage doors and the beer is
> kept on ice.
>
> I have never seen a handicap parking at any ice house and when I was joking
> with the owner of the building I asked him where it was and he informed me
> that there was plenty handicap parking and then I ask him where? He then
> informed me they were at the grocery store two miles down the street.
>
> And when I asked about the handicap bathroom he walked next to the bar and
> showed me the 5 gal plastic bucket.
>
> Some times you just want to scream.
>
> --
> Moe Jones
> HVAC Service Technician
> Energy Equalizers Inc.
> Houston, Texaswww.EnergyEqualizers.com


From: Moe Jones on 30 Jul 2007 13:31
robbie(a)appleisp.net wrote:
> I'm tempted to characterize you "friendly bar owner," but this is not
> the place. Here in NJ, and it probably applies in most states,
> building owners are not required to bring their buildings up to
> current codes unless they want to renovate them and require a building
> permit. Until that time, or until a building inspector determines a
> building is unsafe for its use, no update is required despite the law.
> The law has a provision for "grandfathering" existing building
> conditions.
>
> Bob

Not what I understand and what I read from the ADA web sie:
I found the following and belive the ADA over rides any grandfathering.

MYTH: The government thinks everything is readily achievable.

FACT: Not true. Often it may not be readily achievable to remove
a barrier -- especially in older structures. Let's say a small
business is located above ground. Installing an elevator would
not, most likely, be readily achievable -- and there may not be
enough room to build a ramp -- or the business may not be
profitable enough to build a ramp. In these circumstances, the
ADA would allow a business to simply provide curbside service to
persons with disabilities.
--
Moe Jones
HVAC Service Technician
Energy Equalizers Inc.
Houston, Texas
www.EnergyEqualizers.com


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