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From: Moe Jones on 31 Jul 2007 08:09
Moe Jones wrote:
> robbie(a)appleisp.net wrote:
>> I'm tempted to characterize you "friendly bar owner," but this is not
>> the place. Here in NJ, and it probably applies in most states,
>> building owners are not required to bring their buildings up to
>> current codes unless they want to renovate them and require a
>> building permit. Until that time, or until a building inspector
>> determines a building is unsafe for its use, no update is required
>> despite the law. The law has a provision for "grandfathering"
>> existing building conditions.
>>
>> Bob
>
> Not what I understand and what I read from the ADA web sie:
> I found the following and belive the ADA over rides any
> grandfathering.
> MYTH: The government thinks everything is readily achievable.
>
> FACT: Not true. Often it may not be readily achievable to remove
> a barrier -- especially in older structures. Let's say a small
> business is located above ground. Installing an elevator would
> not, most likely, be readily achievable -- and there may not be
> enough room to build a ramp -- or the business may not be
> profitable enough to build a ramp. In these circumstances, the
> ADA would allow a business to simply provide curbside service to
> persons with disabilities.

Well yesterday I was talking to the owner and joking with him, I asked if
they provide curbside service would I get a cold beer and he said yes but
the beer price goes uo from $1.75 to $2.50 a beer.

You just can not win a times. :-)

--
Moe Jones
HVAC Service Technician
Energy Equalizers Inc.
Houston, Texas
www.EnergyEqualizers.com


From: Glenn Woodell on 31 Jul 2007 08:38
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:09:27 -0500, "Moe Jones" <moejones(a)hal-pc.org>
wrote:

>Moe Jones wrote:
>> robbie(a)appleisp.net wrote:
>>> I'm tempted to characterize you "friendly bar owner," but this is not
>>> the place. Here in NJ, and it probably applies in most states,
>>> building owners are not required to bring their buildings up to
>>> current codes unless they want to renovate them and require a
>>> building permit. Until that time, or until a building inspector
>>> determines a building is unsafe for its use, no update is required
>>> despite the law. The law has a provision for "grandfathering"
>>> existing building conditions.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>> Not what I understand and what I read from the ADA web sie:
>> I found the following and belive the ADA over rides any
>> grandfathering.
>> MYTH: The government thinks everything is readily achievable.
>>
>> FACT: Not true. Often it may not be readily achievable to remove
>> a barrier -- especially in older structures. Let's say a small
>> business is located above ground. Installing an elevator would
>> not, most likely, be readily achievable -- and there may not be
>> enough room to build a ramp -- or the business may not be
>> profitable enough to build a ramp. In these circumstances, the
>> ADA would allow a business to simply provide curbside service to
>> persons with disabilities.
>
>Well yesterday I was talking to the owner and joking with him, I asked if
>they provide curbside service would I get a cold beer and he said yes but
>the beer price goes uo from $1.75 to $2.50 a beer.
>
>You just can not win a times. :-)

Sounds like a good time to find yoru beer somewhere else. People don't
realy listen unless you speak with $$$$$. It's the motivator of most
people.

Have trouble reaching a real person at a company? Enter as if you had
a lot of money to give them. Look up their advertising department.
Think you're gonna get put on hold there?

Glenn
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