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From: Janice on 29 Aug 2005 22:53 Bitching about format is a documented form of trolling. Trolling is a method to distract people from the topic of the group and demand their time and attention. I do not believe Don was attempting this, only another uptite poster. "Karen" <kk5151(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:11h7e4mn3m4oqc7(a)corp.supernews.com... > Actually, interspersing has it's own problems with mis-attributed comments > and trying to track who said what. I haven't figured out yet why standard > email format (top-post) is a huge no-no to some folks on newsgroups. OTOH, > some newsgroups couldn't care less. One site I used to post in regularly > _insisted_ on top post to not waste anyone's time in reading the high volume > of messages. IMO, top posting isn't an issue of laziness on the part of the > poster but of communicating more quickly and clearly in a way that takes > less effort on the part of the reader (not having to scroll down unless you > need more details). Not trimming may be an issue of habitual laziness or > not paying attention. Even then, I'm not on a 1200bps modem nowadays -- > I've moved up to a 56k. :-) > > Sorry to disagree with you Don, because after following this group awhile, > I've come to respect your opinion. But for the life of me, I can't see why > the location of the communication assumes a greater importance than what is > said or why people insist so adamantly on different formats in electronic > communication (email versus newsgroup postings). > > Karen > > "Don Wiss" <donwiss(a)no_spam.com> wrote in message > news:6sv4h1tggns72s6oec012f8rq4sr47iash(a)4ax.com... > > > > Okay. I will not reply to her anymore. For one thing it is really hard to > > follow what she writes. Because she doesn't intersperse her thoughts with > > the thoughts of the person she is replying to, it makes it really hard to > > follow. But interspersing takes effort. > > > > Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom). > >
From: Christopher Jahn on 30 Aug 2005 08:21 "Karen" <kk5151(a)hotmail.com> wrote in news:11h7e4mn3m4oqc7(a)corp.supernews.com: > But for the life of me, I can't see why > the location of the communication assumes a greater importance than > what is said or why people insist so adamantly on different formats in > electronic communication (email versus newsgroup postings). > I tell you what: you show me a college anywhere that teaches the answer should precede the question, and you will have a viable argument. But so far the only valid arguement that supports top-posting is "I'm too lazy to scroll down", and that isn't much of an arguement. Clear and concise communication relies completely on the way information is presented. In every single culture on the planet, response follows query. Millions of years of evolution and thousands of years of written language utterly contradict every other arguement for top-posting. -- }:-) Christopher Jahn {:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html If you want to be a Raelet, you gotta let Ray.
From: Karen on 30 Aug 2005 23:34 A. This isn't a college thesis, it's a newsgroup B. Standard business practice in answering corporate email is top posting and leaving the relevant previous comments below for the reader's reference. It's not an issue of the author being too lazy to scroll down, it's a point of consideration for the recipient to be able to preview the text and for the recipient to not have to scroll down unless they need to refresh their memory. ----- snipped irrelevant thesis on "how the world would work if everyone were like me" ------ Aside from all of this, I addressed the comment to Don, who I have never seen trying to settle any issue by referring to millions of years of evolution. I must say that's one of the reason's I respect what he has to say -- I just don't understand it on this one issue. Karen "Christopher Jahn" <xjahn(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:Xns96C254F7DEF09xjahn(a)216.196.97.136... > I tell you what: you show me a college anywhere that teaches the answer > should precede the question, and you will have a viable argument. But so > far the only valid arguement that supports top-posting is "I'm too lazy > to scroll down", and that isn't much of an arguement. > > -- > }:-) Christopher Jahn > {:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html > > If you want to be a Raelet, you gotta let Ray.
From: Janice on 30 Aug 2005 23:41 Change is very hard for some. Their church and parents told them how to act and it can never be changed. "Karen" <kk5151(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:11ha9dqf5s3fk4e(a)corp.supernews.com... > A. This isn't a college thesis, it's a newsgroup > B. Standard business practice in answering corporate email is top posting > and leaving the relevant previous comments below for the reader's reference. > It's not an issue of the author being too lazy to scroll down, it's a point > of consideration for the recipient to be able to preview the text and for > the recipient to not have to scroll down unless they need to refresh their > memory. > > ----- snipped irrelevant thesis on "how the world would work if everyone > were like me" ------ > > Aside from all of this, I addressed the comment to Don, who I have never > seen trying to settle any issue by referring to millions of years of > evolution. I must say that's one of the reason's I respect what he has to > say -- I just don't understand it on this one issue. > > Karen > > > "Christopher Jahn" <xjahn(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:Xns96C254F7DEF09xjahn(a)216.196.97.136... > > I tell you what: you show me a college anywhere that teaches the answer > > should precede the question, and you will have a viable argument. But so > > far the only valid arguement that supports top-posting is "I'm too lazy > > to scroll down", and that isn't much of an arguement. > > > > -- > > }:-) Christopher Jahn > > {:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html > > > > If you want to be a Raelet, you gotta let Ray. > >
From: squirrell on 31 Aug 2005 21:05
"Karen" <kk5151(a)hotmail.com>, came to the table with: >evolution. I must say that's one of the reason's I respect what he has to >say -- I just don't understand it on this one issue. AND because Y O U don't understand it then it does not apply, right:-] The top posting debate..no, wrong word..it is not a debate, it *_IS_* illogical Bullshit perpetuated by t h i c k h e a d s. That is why trolls as per the Gymmy BoB //Bengi//Pizza Girl//Janice type just love it as an opener. The core of the problem for you desktop writers - who fell into UseNET - is the fact you do not realize where you are or have ANY CONCERN for your audience. I monitor a number of groups where you type abound - usually the homey chat type groups - hunting for local and world news. I do not bother trying to read a thread, its impossible, I just go for the headlines. IF you drove a NewsReader you would know what I am saying. As you *choose* to drive a POS email client, it *is* understandable that you have no concept BUT it is not excusable, particularly when you ignore people who *Do Know* by your constant tapping of the waffle hotkey. Those very same posters may well be helping someone else understand, you come along with your ignorant top posting Bullshit and place confusion where it need not seed. And one last thing. This is UseNET , not some private little domain of email. You publish it, the world gets to see it. The world also is allocated the "right of reply" B Y Y O U when you publish, that's how it works scchweethhhart<g> Do not like it ,, do not think its fair,, mind my own business???? News for today then dearest, is ... GET THE FERKUCKLE OUTA HERE.. UseNET is not for you. I mention "seed" to stay on topic. Goodbye and GoodLuck with your Blind Life, you miss out on far more than you will ever know. -- The guy who does not suck MastaBates of Silicon Valley |