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From: MMu on 7 Nov 2005 05:46

"lian" <liat222(a)hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>I avoid unsaturated fats, and as expected my skin has become extremely
> dry. Of-course, this is no reason to stop avoiding unsaturated fats,
> compared to the advantages I might get from this avoidance.
> However, I need to ease the dryness problem, because my skin is
> cracking.

Did you consider that your skin is the biggest and most effective defense
system against all kinds of viruses, bacteria, fungi and so forth and that
this very defense is going to hell because you believed the words of a total
nutcase off the internet who makes you believe he knows what he is talking
about?

He is neither a doctor nor does he have any degree in chemistry,
biochemistry, pharmacy or anything in that area.
I hope you really are just montygram's alter ego.


From: montygram on 7 Nov 2005 17:29
If you read Bruce Fife's book, Coconut Cures, he addresses all the
issues. I don't know who MMu is or what his credentials are, but I
address the points he makes in a scientific way, not by name calling.
That is his "MO," not mine (though I do like to throw in a joke now and
then). By MMu's logic, we should all eat loads of coconut oil, because
Mary Enig, one of the leading fatty acid experts in the world (she has
the credentials), says that we should do so (as does biochemist Ray
Peat and others, like the Ottobonis), but I think for myself, and I
also try things out for myself, and make observations. If these
criticss were correct, I would not be alive now, 4 years after avoiding
all major sources of omega 3s and 6s. It is impossible for them to be
correct (the literature says that I should have experienced "deficiency
symptoms" within 3 weeks), and what's even more ridiculous, the
evidence they cites demonstrates the opposite of what they say it does.
Then there is the raw demographic data, which shows that those who eat
large amounts of coconut oil have near zero "chronic disease" (the
Coconut Cures book has some good citations there, but you can just
review the data on the WHO web site). If you think for yourself, you
will see how silly (and dangerous) their claims are.

From: MMu on 8 Nov 2005 03:53

"montygram" <nazztrader(a)lycos.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> If you read Bruce Fife's book, Coconut Cures, he addresses all the
> issues.

I base my opinions on actual scientific studies and the primary literature,
not on a book written purely for profit.

>I don't know who MMu is or what his credentials are, but I
> address the points he makes in a scientific way, not by name calling.

No, you don't. Otherwise we would already have had a good exchange of
arguments.
You post you half-truths and bend-together theories and as soon as you
points are criticized you run.
You don't address any points.

> That is his "MO," not mine (though I do like to throw in a joke now and
> then). By MMu's logic, we should all eat loads of coconut oil, because
> Mary Enig, one of the leading fatty acid experts in the world (she has
> the credentials), says that we should do so (as does biochemist Ray
> Peat and others, like the Ottobonis),

You didn't read properly. I never mentioned coconut oil in my post or do you
see it somewhere?
So much for "addressing my points".

If lack of w3 and w6 PUFA makes your skin dry and cracking my recommendation
is not to eat coconut oil but to normalize the w3 and w6 levels until dry
skin disappears- was that so hard to read out?

>but I think for myself, and I
> also try things out for myself, and make observations.

the wrong observations unfortunately.. and that is because you were never
trained as a scientist and don't know the basics behind it all.

> If these
> criticss were correct, I would not be alive now, 4 years after avoiding
> all major sources of omega 3s and 6s. It is impossible for them to be
> correct (the literature says that I should have experienced "deficiency
> symptoms" within 3 weeks), and what's even more ridiculous, the
> evidence they cites demonstrates the opposite of what they say it does.

Again wrong. The literature says that if you leave out all sources of w3 and
w6 you will become deficient.

You listed pieces from your diet a few times and it DOES contain both w3 and
w6 oils.

If you want to make a point that you are indeed "deficient" (as you would
quote) why don't you apply scientific method to your claim and make a simple
blood test to proove that your mead acid levels really are elevated?

That is the way science works you know.. a theory, an experiment, a proof or
no proof.

> Then there is the raw demographic data, which shows that those who eat
> large amounts of coconut oil have near zero "chronic disease" (the
> Coconut Cures book has some good citations there, but you can just
> review the data on the WHO web site). If you think for yourself, you
> will see how silly (and dangerous) their claims are.

There is also demographic data that those who consume plenty of fish oil
during their natural diet (the japanese) have the longest lifespan on earth.


From: CD on 9 Nov 2005 14:40
If i missed it sorry for the repeat, but I haven't seen anyone
mention drinking more water for dry skin. It can make huge difference.

The typical person gets 20 to 1 (or more) omega 6s to 3s. It should be
way closer to 1:1. 6's are inflammatory - 3s anti. As many ailments
are caused by inflammation cutting the 6s is important. Adding more
3s in the form of a GOOD fish oil, 9s and 7s in the form of Olive or
Macadamia oil is not only good for the skin but many other issues.

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