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From: montygram on 5 Nov 2005 20:42
"I don't think there is a skin condition that coconut oil can't help...
Pacific Islanders have a tradition of applying coconut oil to their
skin from head to toe every morning." From: Bruce Fife's book, Coconut
Cures, pages 156-157.

I guess that's how you get that greasy feeling you desire. Personally,
I'd rather be on the dry side. There are old ethnic slurs about
greasiness involving those who eat lots of olive oil, and if you can
get your olive oil analyzed so that you know it's high quality, then
you could try that (but don't cook it while exposed to air), or you
could eat lots of organic, purplish olives. You will have to try
different things until you find what works. It will depend on other
factors too - fluid intake, as I mentioned, for exmaple, seems to play
a big role (at least for me). You might also see that your blood
pressure is a bit lower if you avoid omega 6s especially.

If you stick with olives/olive oil, you won't have to worry about
arachidonic acid, assuming you avoid omega 6s in the other foods you
eat, so that seems be best for you, though once you get used to it, you
feel much cleaner without the grease (and your clothing will thank
you).

If you look at old pictures and paintings, the people don't look the
way they do now, for the most part (gluttons like Henry VIII are
exceptions). They are much less "puffy" looking and don't have that
sheen of grease that so many people do today.

From: lian on 6 Nov 2005 05:53
thanks.
yes, you are right about old pictures.

But something still concerns me about olives/olives oil. I read that
w-9 contributes nothing to the body (meaning it's not "essential").

So I want to know, from *molecular* perspective, and not skin
perspective:
what w-9 (assuming its best quality olives themself, and no heating.
etc) contribute to the body?

I dont' won't to consume it just for the skin (for this I wil suffice
with topical oils), but only if it good for my all body. the "within"
of my body is more important to me then greasiness yes or no of my
skin.

From: lian on 6 Nov 2005 08:14
wants to put in other words:
Given I will eat the olives themselves (organic, best quality), so
there is no issue of processing/refining/heating/outer oxidation, what
are their benefits to the body?

From: lian on 6 Nov 2005 14:02
Skin dryness concern me, cause it's deepening my wrinkles (I'm a woman
with thin skin).

What is your opinion of GLA ?
Does taking GLA capsules (evening primrose or borage) is bad as w-6
and AA?
Again, if it's harmful, I definitely won't take it just for sake the
skin appearance.

From: montygram on 6 Nov 2005 17:15
You will destroy you skin with PUFAs. The "essential fatty acid" stuff
is TOTAL nonsense, or worse, because dietary PUFAs are so dangerous.
Search for montygram here and read my posts about this scam. GLA is
just not as dangerous as AA. It's a long, technical story that you
probably don't want to hear, but it's not going to help your skin at
all, except in the context of being less dangerous than AA.

You should take gelatin supplements, or just buy gelatin at your local
super market. There are brands that say they are for better skin, and
on this rare occasion, the supplement makers are correct. But remember,
if you take the wrong kind olive oil, you will be doing harm - that's
why I said eat the purplish olives (stay away from the black ones),
rather than use the oil. Use fresh coconut oil on your face. If you
don't get the omega 6s/3s out of your cells, you will get terrible
wrinkles. Remember, saturated fatty acids have a firming quality -
they pack together tightly and don't cause free radical damage to skin
cells, but the PUFAs do. Let your body make its own PUFAs as it sees
fit. You should also take pregnenolone supplements if you are in your
mid 30s or older, and eat the other things I mentioned: whole milk,
non-homogenized dairy, berries and other fruit, dark chocolate, coconut
products, boiled eggs, etc. Do not eat prepared food that has dairy or
eggs listed, because then you will be ingesting oxidized cholesterol.
You can make quick breads with hardly any fat (just spread a little
coconut oil on the pan to prevent sticking) and no cholesterol. Drink
white tea, lightly roasted coffee, club soda/seltzer, or tropical fruit
juice with no additives. Take calcium and magnesium in the citrate
forms and also some vitamin D. Small amounts of B complex are a good
idea, and perhaps small amounts of copper as well.

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