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From: Rodney Pont on 14 Aug 2008 14:26 On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:00:48 -0400, Elizabeth wrote: >>Unfortunately, I haven't kept good records so I don't know I what my >>dosage is. I usually took what the doctor told me to and things >>usually turned out well. I've had a blood test today, I'll know the >>result next week. I'm completely out of sorts. I couldn't sleep last >>night because my heart was pounding and I sweat on the least >>provocation. I haven't felt like this in the 6 years since the >>thyroidectomy. >This means you are now overdosed. After my second RAI I was put on beta blockers since my resting heartrate was at 126. I would wake up at night because of it. Once I was started on thyroxine I was able to stop the beta blockers as my heartrate fell. Heartrate is one of those things that can rise due to too little as well as too much hormone. -- Regards - Rodney Pont The from address exists but is mostly dumped, please send any emails to the address below e-mail ngpsm4 (at) infohitsystems (dot) ltd (dot) uk
From: amit.karandikar.2008 on 14 Aug 2008 15:27 On Aug 14, 2:00 pm, "Elizabeth" <esniv...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > Amit, > > This means you are now overdosed. A very little medication change can make a > big difference. You may need to be between 175 and 200mcg. You may need to > take one pill that is 175 and get a pill-splitting device (found at > drugstores) to split a 25 mcg pill and take half each day. Or, alternate > between 175 and 200 each day. I am assuming you tried to go back up to 200 > and not more -- recently you posted that you supplemented your daily 175 mcg > dose with a 100 mcg pill that you had lying around. You don't want to do > this very often, or you will be severely overdosed at 275! > > Best of luck, > Elizabeth > > <amit.karandikar.2...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:faf8f001-ac88-4f28-8c5a-271b6ce19c17(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 11, 7:42 am, "nora" <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > > > > > What was your TSH before the dose reduction, and what is it now? > > > There are tens of thousands of postings on the internet about problems > > like that, namely TSH getting low on the right dose of thyroid hormone > > replacement. > > Before, doctors thought one was dosed correctly with a low TSH. > > But then at one time a new fad appeared, that some doctors thought low TSH > > was bad for everyone. > > > In reality, low TSH is bad for some, but a lot of us need to be dosed by > > ft4 qand ft3 instead, and we get low TSH when correctly dosed. > > > This is because of a number of rasones, amongst them antibodies, and the > > other reason is that the pituitary is very sensitive to exogenous thyroid > > hormone. > > > It is debated that low TSH may have something to do with bones, that the > > activity of the osteoclasts is greater with a low TSH. > > But the experts still say this is controversial, and that in reality > > ecxess t4 does that to bones, much more than low TSH. In fact, one needs > > enough thyroid hormones to build bones too. > > I have posted a lot of liks about that discussion and the mice thing on > > the thyroid.about.com forum a while ago. Maybe I remember to post the link > > later when I get home... (I think the discussion was named why doctors do > > not like low TSH) > > > nora > > > -- > > Posted from the AST websitehttp://www.altsupportthyroid.org/index.php > > ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com** > > Nora, > > Unfortunately, I haven't kept good records so I don't know I what my > dosage is. I usually took what the doctor told me to and things > usually turned out well. I've had a blood test today, I'll know the > result next week. I'm completely out of sorts. I couldn't sleep last > night because my heart was pounding and I sweat on the least > provocation. I haven't felt like this in the 6 years since the > thyroidectomy. > > -Amit Elizabeth, I haven't permanently bumped up the dosage to 275mcg. I did it only for one day, Saturday. (mcg) Saturday: 275 Sunday: 175 Monday: 175 Tuesday: 175 Wed: 175 Thur: 175 I felt fantastic on Saturday and Sunday, though slightly hyper. Things progressively got worse after that. It quickly reached unbearable (Wednesday) and even worse, Thursday (today). I've made an appointment with a new endo today, towards the end of October. I think I'll be able to squeeze in another appointment with my current endo before that. Since I had my blood test today, I am thinking of going to 175mcg and (approx) 250mcg alternately, on a regular basis. -Amit
From: Elizabeth on 15 Aug 2008 17:11 Amit, remember that it takes about 8-10 days for the medication to reach its peak. I am not sure why you are feeling so bad. I hope you feel better very soon. Elizabeth <amit.karandikar.2008(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:39c71992-28e8-476a-b60d-6159590639c2(a)25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... On Aug 14, 2:00 pm, "Elizabeth" <esniv...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > Amit, > > This means you are now overdosed. A very little medication change can make > a > big difference. You may need to be between 175 and 200mcg. You may need to > take one pill that is 175 and get a pill-splitting device (found at > drugstores) to split a 25 mcg pill and take half each day. Or, alternate > between 175 and 200 each day. I am assuming you tried to go back up to 200 > and not more -- recently you posted that you supplemented your daily 175 > mcg > dose with a 100 mcg pill that you had lying around. You don't want to do > this very often, or you will be severely overdosed at 275! > > Best of luck, > Elizabeth > > <amit.karandikar.2...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:faf8f001-ac88-4f28-8c5a-271b6ce19c17(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 11, 7:42 am, "nora" <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > > > > > What was your TSH before the dose reduction, and what is it now? > > > There are tens of thousands of postings on the internet about problems > > like that, namely TSH getting low on the right dose of thyroid hormone > > replacement. > > Before, doctors thought one was dosed correctly with a low TSH. > > But then at one time a new fad appeared, that some doctors thought low > > TSH > > was bad for everyone. > > > In reality, low TSH is bad for some, but a lot of us need to be dosed by > > ft4 qand ft3 instead, and we get low TSH when correctly dosed. > > > This is because of a number of rasones, amongst them antibodies, and the > > other reason is that the pituitary is very sensitive to exogenous > > thyroid > > hormone. > > > It is debated that low TSH may have something to do with bones, that the > > activity of the osteoclasts is greater with a low TSH. > > But the experts still say this is controversial, and that in reality > > ecxess t4 does that to bones, much more than low TSH. In fact, one needs > > enough thyroid hormones to build bones too. > > I have posted a lot of liks about that discussion and the mice thing on > > the thyroid.about.com forum a while ago. Maybe I remember to post the > > link > > later when I get home... (I think the discussion was named why doctors > > do > > not like low TSH) > > > nora > > > -- > > Posted from the AST websitehttp://www.altsupportthyroid.org/index.php > > ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com** > > Nora, > > Unfortunately, I haven't kept good records so I don't know I what my > dosage is. I usually took what the doctor told me to and things > usually turned out well. I've had a blood test today, I'll know the > result next week. I'm completely out of sorts. I couldn't sleep last > night because my heart was pounding and I sweat on the least > provocation. I haven't felt like this in the 6 years since the > thyroidectomy. > > -Amit Elizabeth, I haven't permanently bumped up the dosage to 275mcg. I did it only for one day, Saturday. (mcg) Saturday: 275 Sunday: 175 Monday: 175 Tuesday: 175 Wed: 175 Thur: 175 I felt fantastic on Saturday and Sunday, though slightly hyper. Things progressively got worse after that. It quickly reached unbearable (Wednesday) and even worse, Thursday (today). I've made an appointment with a new endo today, towards the end of October. I think I'll be able to squeeze in another appointment with my current endo before that. Since I had my blood test today, I am thinking of going to 175mcg and (approx) 250mcg alternately, on a regular basis. -Amit
From: amit.karandikar.2008 on 21 Aug 2008 14:58 On Aug 8, 6:03 pm, amit.karandikar.2...(a)gmail.com wrote: > Hello, > > I am a 28 year old male, weighing approx 200lbs, with a total > thyroidectomy (2002), on 175 mcg of synthroid. For many years I have > been on 200mcg of synthroid. It was changed to 175mcg maybe 4-5 months > ago. Over the last two-three months, I have noticed a considerable > lack of energy and weight gain and I haven't been pigging out either. > On some days, I am perfect, I get up in the morning well rested, and > things are perfect and I have tremendous energy. On these days, I tend > to overwork and to the end of the day, I am energetic and happy. On > other days, especially on days after the days of tremendous energy, I > am down, my body sort of cramped up, my joints ache, I have no energy > and I feel bloated. On these days I get no work done, and this is very > frustrating. I seem to have become very sensitive to the amount of > sleep I get, I cannot seem to pull-through on 6 hours sleep. I seem to > need 9 hours. > > My doctor seems to think that 175 mcg of synthroid is perfect for me. > Are these symptoms of underdosing? Perhaps it's just the fact that I > am 50lbs overweight. Is there anything else I should try? Vitamin > supplements maybe?. Would anti-depressants help? > > Confused.. > > -Amit Just found out today that the doctor thinks that T3 and T4 is too high. She wants to reduce the dose down to 150mcg. I'm not sure if this is the right approach to take, I feel better on a higher dose! Oh, well, I just am going to have to increase the dose by myself if it is too low. Not the kind of thing I like doing. -Amit
From: Rod on 21 Aug 2008 15:00 amit.karandikar.2008(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Aug 8, 6:03 pm, amit.karandikar.2...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I am a 28 year old male, weighing approx 200lbs, with a total >> thyroidectomy (2002), on 175 mcg of synthroid. For many years I have >> been on 200mcg of synthroid. It was changed to 175mcg maybe 4-5 months >> ago. Over the last two-three months, I have noticed a considerable >> lack of energy and weight gain and I haven't been pigging out either. >> On some days, I am perfect, I get up in the morning well rested, and >> things are perfect and I have tremendous energy. On these days, I tend >> to overwork and to the end of the day, I am energetic and happy. On >> other days, especially on days after the days of tremendous energy, I >> am down, my body sort of cramped up, my joints ache, I have no energy >> and I feel bloated. On these days I get no work done, and this is very >> frustrating. I seem to have become very sensitive to the amount of >> sleep I get, I cannot seem to pull-through on 6 hours sleep. I seem to >> need 9 hours. >> >> My doctor seems to think that 175 mcg of synthroid is perfect for me. >> Are these symptoms of underdosing? Perhaps it's just the fact that I >> am 50lbs overweight. Is there anything else I should try? Vitamin >> supplements maybe?. Would anti-depressants help? >> >> Confused.. >> >> -Amit > > Just found out today that the doctor thinks that T3 and T4 is too > high. She wants to reduce the dose down to 150mcg. I'm not sure if > this is the right approach to take, I feel better on a higher dose! > Oh, well, I just am going to have to increase the dose by myself if it > is too low. Not the kind of thing I like doing. > > -Amit On what basis? Do you have your test results? -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. <www.thyromind.info> <www.thyroiduk.org> <www.altsupportthyroid.org>
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