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From: whatamess on 9 Sep 2008 15:12 On Sep 9, 1:12 pm, Tomcat <tom_overton_1...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Sep 9, 11:50 am, "Bob W" <robe...(a)teleport.com> wrote: > > > ======= > > Have you considered not being married to the boy's father is a significant > > cause for a reduced lifestyle? And more importantly, CS is for the > > children, not money to improve a mother's lifestyle. > > CS in my opinion is to support the "family environment" in which the > child will be raised. Most child support payments are more than > enough to cover food and clothing. The child support I pay my ex > gives them the financial freedom to choose to live in a good house in > a good neighborhood within a good school district. > > Yes, of course I know my gf's choice to get divorced resulted in an > inevitable reduced lifestyle. But that doesn't take away the central > fact that the father owes money that could give his son a better life > which was the whole point of this discussion. Sorry, but I do not agree with women just because I am a woman... I also don't disagree with men, just because I am a woman. So, your girlfriend who decided to divorce this guy did this knowing that her lifestyle and that of her son would be reduced...Why exactly is it that you are not looking at her decision as a contributing factor to not be able to give her child everything she wanted to begin with Nobody in an intact marriage is entitled to anything...the only thing those kids are entitled to is food/clothing/shelter...and shelter is up to the parents...as well as clothing...If your girlfriend thinks that it's up to her ex to give their son all the extras, then that's her problem...She probably divorced him because he didn't overspend and she wanted more and more money, as so many women do... Then when they divorce they use the poor child excuse to attempt to live the life they believe they are entitled to. And I don't want to hear the "child is entitled to a certain lifestyle", the child is actally ENTITLED to live with both their father and mother, and in this situation, it was the mother who took that away from him. Seems that it's ok for her to take his right to be with both his father and mother away, but feels cheated when the father takes away the "lifestyle" she expects for her son. By the way, good for you for paying child support and being so concerned about your children's "monetary" lifestyle... You should've been more concerned about their "mental" well-being before deciding to divorce their mother...
From: Bob W on 9 Sep 2008 15:13 "SamIAm" <iamsam(a)drseus.com> wrote in message news:0Syxk.82283$hx.65767(a)pd7urf3no... > Bob W wrote: >> >> "Tomcat" <tom_overton_1968(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:475382a6-e10e-4d56-9ec2-75c0b87a8695(a)m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> On Sep 9, 10:50 am, "DB" <Dee...(a)netscape.net> wrote: >>> "Tomcat" <tom_overton_1...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in >>> >>> > My girlfriend has raised her son for 11 years on her own, and is >>> >>> diligintly saving so she can send him to M.I.T. She is paying for him >>> to go to private classes on weekends to further his education and >>> prepare him for college entrance exams. Do you think this is easy on >>> one income with no help from the father? >>> >>> Why don't you help her out financially if you are so concerned for her? >> >> I do help her some (remember we aren't even married yet and have been >> dating less than a year) but I don't help her to the degree her son's >> own father should help and is legally obligated to. I also have a >> daughter of my own I'm supporting. I should point out, it's not like >> she and her son are starving or anything. But without the father's >> child support money they haven't been able to have have the kind of >> life they could have had all these years. >> >> ======= >> Have you considered not being married to the boy's father is a >> significant cause for a reduced lifestyle? And more importantly, CS is >> for the children, not money to improve a mother's lifestyle. > > > The way it works is: > > Father doesn't pay child support > Mother has to pay for all child care expenses > Mother then has less money for other things. > > Mother's lifestyle is affected when father doesn't pay child support. Does it work that way when the mother is on public assistance and is assumed to not be able to support her children? Does it work that way when the mother is ordered to pay CS to the father? Does it work that way when CS from the father is used exclusively so the mother can cut back on her pro-rata share of the CS order? Does it work that way when the mother has a live-in boyfriend who consumes part of the household resources?
From: whatamess on 9 Sep 2008 15:14 On Sep 9, 2:12 pm, whatamess <mudanz...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Sep 9, 1:12 pm, Tomcat <tom_overton_1...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 11:50 am, "Bob W" <robe...(a)teleport.com> wrote: > > > > ======= > > > Have you considered not being married to the boy's father is a significant > > > cause for a reduced lifestyle? And more importantly, CS is for the > > > children, not money to improve a mother's lifestyle. > > > CS in my opinion is to support the "family environment" in which the > > child will be raised. Most child support payments are more than > > enough to cover food and clothing. The child support I pay my ex > > gives them the financial freedom to choose to live in a good house in > > a good neighborhood within a good school district. > > > Yes, of course I know my gf's choice to get divorced resulted in an > > inevitable reduced lifestyle. But that doesn't take away the central > > fact that the father owes money that could give his son a better life > > which was the whole point of this discussion. > > Sorry, but I do not agree with women just because I am a woman... > I also don't disagree with men, just because I am a woman. > > So, your girlfriend who decided to divorce this guy did this knowing > that her lifestyle and that of her son would be reduced...Why exactly > is it that you are not looking at her decision as a contributing > factor > to not be able to give her child everything she wanted to begin with > > Nobody in an intact marriage is entitled to anything...the only > thing those kids are entitled to is food/clothing/shelter...and > shelter > is up to the parents...as well as clothing...If your girlfriend thinks > that it's up to her ex to give their son all the extras, then that's > her problem...She probably divorced him because he didn't overspend > and she wanted more and more money, as so many women do... > Then when they divorce they use the poor child excuse to attempt > to live the life they believe they are entitled to. > > And I don't want to hear the "child is entitled to a certain > lifestyle", > the child is actally ENTITLED to live with both their father and > mother, > and in this situation, it was the mother who took that away from him. > Seems that it's ok for her to take his right to be with both his > father and mother away, but feels cheated when the father > takes away the "lifestyle" she expects for her son. > > By the way, good for you for paying child support and being > so concerned about your children's "monetary" lifestyle... > You should've been more concerned about their "mental" > well-being before deciding to divorce their mother...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - And by the way, I love how you began your post about "the child suffering financally"...yes, the typical woman thing to get everyone on her side...which as you got more ticked off you were able to tell the truth which is "he is NOT suffering financially"...it's just your girlfriend thinks more of money than of anything else...
From: SamIAm on 9 Sep 2008 15:29 whatamess wrote: > On Sep 9, 1:12 pm, Tomcat <tom_overton_1...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Sep 9, 11:50 am, "Bob W" <robe...(a)teleport.com> wrote: >> >>> ======= >>> Have you considered not being married to the boy's father is a significant >>> cause for a reduced lifestyle? And more importantly, CS is for the >>> children, not money to improve a mother's lifestyle. >> CS in my opinion is to support the "family environment" in which the >> child will be raised. Most child support payments are more than >> enough to cover food and clothing. The child support I pay my ex >> gives them the financial freedom to choose to live in a good house in >> a good neighborhood within a good school district. >> >> Yes, of course I know my gf's choice to get divorced resulted in an >> inevitable reduced lifestyle. But that doesn't take away the central >> fact that the father owes money that could give his son a better life >> which was the whole point of this discussion. > > Sorry, but I do not agree with women just because I am a woman... > I also don't disagree with men, just because I am a woman. > > So, your girlfriend who decided to divorce this guy did this knowing > that her lifestyle and that of her son would be reduced...Why exactly > is it that you are not looking at her decision as a contributing > factor > to not be able to give her child everything she wanted to begin with > > Nobody in an intact marriage is entitled to anything...the only > thing those kids are entitled to is food/clothing/shelter...and > shelter > is up to the parents...as well as clothing...If your girlfriend thinks > that it's up to her ex to give their son all the extras, then that's > her problem...She probably divorced him because he didn't overspend > and she wanted more and more money, as so many women do... > Then when they divorce they use the poor child excuse to attempt > to live the life they believe they are entitled to. > > And I don't want to hear the "child is entitled to a certain > lifestyle", > the child is actally ENTITLED to live with both their father and > mother, > and in this situation, it was the mother who took that away from him. > Seems that it's ok for her to take his right to be with both his > father and mother away, but feels cheated when the father > takes away the "lifestyle" she expects for her son. > > By the way, good for you for paying child support and being > so concerned about your children's "monetary" lifestyle... > You should've been more concerned about their "mental" > well-being before deciding to divorce their mother... Everything you say is correct ... but what does this have to do with a father who isn't paying child support. Do you think it is fine for a dad not to pay child support? Even if (and I am not saying this is the case) the wife divorced him for no good reason.
From: SamIAm on 9 Sep 2008 15:33
Bob W wrote: > > "SamIAm" <iamsam(a)drseus.com> wrote in message > news:0Syxk.82283$hx.65767(a)pd7urf3no... >> Bob W wrote: >>> >>> "Tomcat" <tom_overton_1968(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:475382a6-e10e-4d56-9ec2-75c0b87a8695(a)m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> On Sep 9, 10:50 am, "DB" <Dee...(a)netscape.net> wrote: >>>> "Tomcat" <tom_overton_1...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in >>>> >>>> > My girlfriend has raised her son for 11 years on her own, and is >>>> >>>> diligintly saving so she can send him to M.I.T. She is paying for him >>>> to go to private classes on weekends to further his education and >>>> prepare him for college entrance exams. Do you think this is easy on >>>> one income with no help from the father? >>>> >>>> Why don't you help her out financially if you are so concerned for her? >>> >>> I do help her some (remember we aren't even married yet and have been >>> dating less than a year) but I don't help her to the degree her son's >>> own father should help and is legally obligated to. I also have a >>> daughter of my own I'm supporting. I should point out, it's not like >>> she and her son are starving or anything. But without the father's >>> child support money they haven't been able to have have the kind of >>> life they could have had all these years. >>> >>> ======= >>> Have you considered not being married to the boy's father is a >>> significant cause for a reduced lifestyle? And more importantly, CS >>> is for the children, not money to improve a mother's lifestyle. >> >> >> The way it works is: >> >> Father doesn't pay child support >> Mother has to pay for all child care expenses >> Mother then has less money for other things. >> >> Mother's lifestyle is affected when father doesn't pay child support. > > Does it work that way when the mother is on public assistance and is > assumed to not be able to support her children? > Yes > Does it work that way when the mother is ordered to pay CS to the father? Yes, only in reverse > > Does it work that way when CS from the father is used exclusively so the > mother can cut back on her pro-rata share of the CS order? Huh! > > Does it work that way when the mother has a live-in boyfriend who > consumes part of the household resources? Yes |