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From: Andy Hall on 1 Aug 2008 16:29 On 2008-08-01 20:54:41 +0100, normc <norm-c(a)socal.rr.com> said: > > This assumes that you are using distilled water. Although I am no > chemist, it just seems to make sense to me that inhaling chlorine and > florine vapors, and whatever else is in tap water, all night just isn't > a good idea. You won't be. All that is required is to allow the water to stand for a few minutes and dissolved chlorine etc. will be driven off. > > In addition, when I tried tap water, at Andy Hall's suggestion, last > year, the tap water corroded through the aluminum base of the chamber. I hope that you're not drinking that tap water. I've had no problems at all with humidifiers having aluminium or stainless steel bases using tap water from all over Europe and for that matter a number of places in north America. No pitting, no corrosion, zippo. I would suggest taking the humidifier back because it should not corrode with tap water. After all, aluminium kitchen utensils don't. > > There are reasons that the manufacturers of the machinesm and apnea > professionals, say, in writing, to use distilled water. That may depend on where you live. The manuals for each of my humidifiers don't specify that distilled water be used. Having said that, if the individual wishes to use distilled water, that's fine by me if it makes them happy, but it isn't necessary.
From: Hal S. on 1 Aug 2008 17:33 "Andy Hall" <andyh(a)hall.nospam> wrote in message news:48937214(a)qaanaaq... > On 2008-08-01 20:54:41 +0100, normc <norm-c(a)socal.rr.com> said: >> >> This assumes that you are using distilled water. Although I am no >> chemist, it just seems to make sense to me that inhaling chlorine and >> florine vapors, and whatever else is in tap water, all night just isn't a >> good idea. > > You won't be. All that is required is to allow the water to stand for a > few minutes and dissolved chlorine etc. will be driven off. > > >> >> In addition, when I tried tap water, at Andy Hall's suggestion, last >> year, the tap water corroded through the aluminum base of the chamber. > > > I hope that you're not drinking that tap water. I've had no problems > at all with humidifiers having aluminium or stainless steel bases using > tap water from all over Europe and for that matter a number of places in > north America. No pitting, no corrosion, zippo. > > I would suggest taking the humidifier back because it should not corrode > with tap water. After all, aluminium kitchen utensils don't. > >> >> There are reasons that the manufacturers of the machinesm and apnea >> professionals, say, in writing, to use distilled water. > > That may depend on where you live. The manuals for each of my > humidifiers don't specify that distilled water be used. > > > Having said that, if the individual wishes to use distilled water, that's > fine by me if it makes them happy, but it isn't necessary. > -------------------------------------------------- Oh, Andy! Oh, Andy! I used tap water last night. Is it gonna kill me? ;-) Good grief, I can't believe how often this subject comes up and how folks get so compulsive obsessive about it. One would think simple logic would make it obvious that if the water is drinkable it is not going to cause medical problems for the XPAP user.
From: Pope Pie (Sy Lehrman) on 1 Aug 2008 17:42 normc wrote: > Pope Pie (Sy Lehrman) wrote: >> Tiger_Lily wrote: >>> Brenda wrote: >>>> To all who replied, thank you. The nurse from my bipap provider >>>> told me that bacteria can form from the water being heated and then >>>> being left in the tank. I haven't seen any mold but that is an >>>> allergy of mine so maybe there is something there as well as >>>> cleaning filters more often. >>> >>> hmmmmmmmmm i have used a heated humidifier since ............. 2001? >>> and i have never cleaned it out.......... i just top up the water >>> every day >>> >>> very interesting opinion you got from her >>> >>> what do you need to look for to ensure bacteria hasn't formed? >>> >>> boy, i'm a BAD CPAP'er >> >> What you need is a microscope. I did that for some weeks without >> thinking and noticed that the water was getting cloudy which made me >> uneasy. > > Tap water? > >> Now I just dry it out most days and occasionally take it apart for a >> good cleaning. If your's doesn't come apart I would suggest the old >> half water and half vinegar cleanout, you could end up with a sience >> project in there. > > If you take a look at the archives, you will see that, although there > are differing 'opinions' on this subject, there are very few, over the > years, who have any REAL, as opposed to perceived, problems of this type. > > This assumes that you are using distilled water. Indeed. As someone pointed out, however, once you open the bottle and breathe on it the sterility of the water drops away. I think what we have here is a fine example of "pushing your luck." Perhaps it is just that I am the son of a marine biologist. My mother had no qualms about regaling you with tales of the parasites you could pick up from grouper or other bottom fish as she wolfed down the grouper on her plate, causing you to state apprehensively at yours. Just for fun you might take some of that water that wasn't changed for months and find a microscope somewhere. After that, ask me again.
From: Pope Pie (Sy Lehrman) on 1 Aug 2008 17:46 Andy Hall wrote: > On 2008-08-01 20:54:41 +0100, normc <norm-c(a)socal.rr.com> said: >> >> This assumes that you are using distilled water. Although I am no >> chemist, it just seems to make sense to me that inhaling chlorine and >> florine vapors, and whatever else is in tap water, all night just >> isn't a good idea. > > You won't be. All that is required is to allow the water to stand for > a few minutes and dissolved chlorine etc. will be driven off. > > >> >> In addition, when I tried tap water, at Andy Hall's suggestion, last >> year, the tap water corroded through the aluminum base of the chamber. > Colorado River water doesn't hurt it but it leaves a white film on the sides in a day or two. I wondered why my Respironics humidifier had that funny rubbery coating on the aluminum, but I guess there are some tap waters that are hard on the aluminum.
From: Darth Breather on 1 Aug 2008 20:18
On Jul 30, 4:20 pm, "Brenda" <dixiesug...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I understand that bacteria can form in my bipap equipment if not cleaned > regularly. Question is: can bacteria cause allergies to flare up with > sniffles, sneezing, watery eyes, etc. I asked my bipap provider and they > say no but no matter what medication I take, my allergies act up every few > days and this has been going on for several months. > > Brenda my alergies got beter aftr cpap tho not perfect. the alergy filter realy helps. do you use thatt? |