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From: Hal S. on 24 Aug 2008 20:09 <magesteff(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:5b362325-9a6f-42cc-846d-145bf188c1eb(a)8g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Aug 1, 5:33 pm, "Hal S." <h.sand...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > "Andy Hall" <an...(a)hall.nospam> wrote in messagenews:48937214(a)qaanaaq... > > On 2008-08-01 20:54:41 +0100, normc <nor...(a)socal.rr.com> said: > > >> This assumes that you are using distilled water. Although I am no > >> chemist, it just seems to make sense to me that inhaling chlorine and > >> florine vapors, and whatever else is in tap water, all night just isn't > >> a > >> good idea. > > > You won't be. All that is required is to allow the water to stand for a > > few minutes and dissolved chlorine etc. will be driven off. > > >> In addition, when I tried tap water, at Andy Hall's suggestion, last > >> year, the tap water corroded through the aluminum base of the chamber. > > > I hope that you're not drinking that tap water. I've had no problems > > at all with humidifiers having aluminium or stainless steel bases using > > tap water from all over Europe and for that matter a number of places in > > north America. No pitting, no corrosion, zippo. > > > I would suggest taking the humidifier back because it should not corrode > > with tap water. After all, aluminium kitchen utensils don't. > > >> There are reasons that the manufacturers of the machinesm and apnea > >> professionals, say, in writing, to use distilled water. > > > That may depend on where you live. The manuals for each of my > > humidifiers don't specify that distilled water be used. > > > Having said that, if the individual wishes to use distilled water, > > that's > > fine by me if it makes them happy, but it isn't necessary. > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Oh, Andy! Oh, Andy! > > I used tap water last night. Is it gonna kill me? ;-) > > Good grief, I can't believe how often this subject comes up and how folks > get so compulsive obsessive about it. > > One would think simple logic would make it obvious that if the water is > drinkable it is not going to cause medical problems for the XPAP user.- > Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Not so much the disloved minerals in tap water. However, Tap water does contain *some* micro-organisms, by law it has to be below a certain level, but if you leave the left over water in the humidifier, not only will you get mineral buildup, but the bacteria and molds have a better starting colony to work from. Distilled water has nothing the bacteria can grow on, plus, the distilling process rids the water of any bacteria present. Granted the bottle the water comes in *may* have a few bacteria in it, but the bio-load is going to be a lot less than tap water. ------------------------------ You're responding to my post, which is almost a month old. However, you are still incorrect. Distilling and purifying are not synonymous. The distilling process gets rid of some of the impurities but not all by any means. Bacteria can still grow in distilled water. I really don't understand why some here make such a big deal of what kind of water to use. There are much greater concerns for a hoser to deal with. Tap water may leave some mineral scale, but if you can drink it you can use it in your XPAP.
From: Denny on 24 Aug 2008 21:26 Hal S. wrote: > <magesteff(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > news:5b362325-9a6f-42cc-846d-145bf188c1eb(a)8g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 1, 5:33 pm, "Hal S." <h.sand...(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> "Andy Hall" <an...(a)hall.nospam> wrote in messagenews:48937214(a)qaanaaq... >>> On 2008-08-01 20:54:41 +0100, normc <nor...(a)socal.rr.com> said: >>>> This assumes that you are using distilled water. Although I am no >>>> chemist, it just seems to make sense to me that inhaling chlorine and >>>> florine vapors, and whatever else is in tap water, all night just isn't >>>> a >>>> good idea. >>> You won't be. All that is required is to allow the water to stand for a >>> few minutes and dissolved chlorine etc. will be driven off. >>>> In addition, when I tried tap water, at Andy Hall's suggestion, last >>>> year, the tap water corroded through the aluminum base of the chamber. >>> I hope that you're not drinking that tap water. I've had no problems >>> at all with humidifiers having aluminium or stainless steel bases using >>> tap water from all over Europe and for that matter a number of places in >>> north America. No pitting, no corrosion, zippo. >>> I would suggest taking the humidifier back because it should not corrode >>> with tap water. After all, aluminium kitchen utensils don't. >>>> There are reasons that the manufacturers of the machinesm and apnea >>>> professionals, say, in writing, to use distilled water. >>> That may depend on where you live. The manuals for each of my >>> humidifiers don't specify that distilled water be used. >>> Having said that, if the individual wishes to use distilled water, >>> that's >>> fine by me if it makes them happy, but it isn't necessary. >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Oh, Andy! Oh, Andy! >> >> I used tap water last night. Is it gonna kill me? ;-) >> >> Good grief, I can't believe how often this subject comes up and how folks >> get so compulsive obsessive about it. >> >> One would think simple logic would make it obvious that if the water is >> drinkable it is not going to cause medical problems for the XPAP user.- >> Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Not so much the disloved minerals in tap water. However, Tap water > does contain *some* micro-organisms, by law it has to be below a > certain level, but if you leave the left over water in the humidifier, > not only will you get mineral buildup, but the bacteria and molds have > a better starting colony to work from. Distilled water has nothing the > bacteria can grow on, plus, the distilling process rids the water of > any bacteria present. Granted the bottle the water comes in *may* have > a few bacteria in it, but the bio-load is going to be a lot less than > tap water. > > ------------------------------ > > You're responding to my post, which is almost a month old. > > However, you are still incorrect. Distilling and purifying are not > synonymous. The distilling process gets rid of some of the impurities but > not all by any means. Bacteria can still grow in distilled water. I really > don't understand why some here make such a big deal of what kind of water to > use. There are much greater concerns for a hoser to deal with. Tap water > may leave some mineral scale, but if you can drink it you can use it in your > XPAP. Exactly why do you think ingesting water, to your stomach, is the same as inhaling its vapors, to your lungs. Are you a doctor? ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
From: ll on 26 Aug 2008 00:17 Hal S. wrote: > if you can drink it you can use it in your XPAP. You don't know what you're talking about. You are not merely wrong, that's dangerous advice.
From: Hal S. on 26 Aug 2008 19:58 "ll" <ll(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:0JOdnU0ye81RHi7VnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d(a)comcast.com... > Hal S. wrote: >> if you can drink it you can use it in your XPAP. > > You don't know what you're talking about. > You are not merely wrong, that's dangerous advice. ------------------------ You didn't do well in Science 101 did you? If your water is giving you "the vapors," it's not potable. I'll say it again -- if it's safe to drink, it's safe to use in your XPAP. Show me some credible evidence to the contrary.
From: Bubba on 26 Aug 2008 20:27
In article <0JOdnU0ye81RHi7VnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d(a)comcast.com>, ll(a)nospam.com says... > Hal S. wrote: > > if you can drink it you can use it in your XPAP. > > You don't know what you're talking about. > You are not merely wrong, that's dangerous advice. Any water that is safe to drink is perfectly safe to use in a CPAP humidifier. There may be odors that may make the water unpleasant to use, or minerals may cause deposits; but it is safe. |