a thought about diagnosis
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From: Eric Fahrender on 26 Jul 2006 14:36 As I hear people talking (writing) about diagnosis, I hear how different doctors have had different opinions about the same person, and a person might be lablelled Social Anxiety in one office and then walk across the street and be labelled Asperger Syndrome. Some docs refuse to try to subdivide Autism Spectrum Disorder into subtypes like PDD-NOS vs. Aspie, while others subdivide at will. Sometimes a person will self-diagnose and then go to doctor after doctor until they find one who gives them the diagnosis they want. Also in autobiographies written by autistics a couple have mentioned that when they were children they didn't like the person giving them tests, therefore they chose to ignore the questions, and thus they got diagnosed as hopelessly retarded and severely autistic when in fact they were moderately smart and perfectly able to communicate on those rare occasions when they wanted to. Shouldn't we throw all these subjective measures out the window and start using EEG, fMRI and other verifiable brain measurements to diagnose autism?
From: The V person on 26 Jul 2006 15:19 "Eric Fahrender" <nil(a)dev.nul> wrote in message news:v2dfc29h97k97dopmfhf5sc7shuvq6drmk(a)4ax.com... > > As I hear people talking (writing) about diagnosis, I hear how > different doctors have had different opinions about the same person, > and a person might be lablelled Social Anxiety in one office and then > walk across the street and be labelled Asperger Syndrome. Some docs > refuse to try to subdivide Autism Spectrum Disorder into subtypes like > PDD-NOS vs. Aspie, while others subdivide at will. > > Sometimes a person will self-diagnose and then go to doctor after > doctor until they find one who gives them the diagnosis they want. > > Also in autobiographies written by autistics a couple have mentioned > that when they were children they didn't like the person giving them > tests, therefore they chose to ignore the questions, and thus they got > diagnosed as hopelessly retarded and severely autistic when in fact > they were moderately smart and perfectly able to communicate on those > rare occasions when they wanted to. > > Shouldn't we throw all these subjective measures out the window and > start using EEG, fMRI and other verifiable brain measurements to > diagnose autism? Problem is there is no test to verify,,, now some autistic people have partisapated in studies of the brain like Eric Courchesne's studies and this doctor has found abnormal findings in these peoples brains. http://www.courchesneautismlab.org/ .... I know of a few people who partisapated in these studies,,, not personally but I know who they are cause they posted a few times on here and said they were partisapating in these studies.. But for the most part all Drs have to go on is what the patient tells them (if the are an adult and through observation of how that person appears and interacts) Nothing is fool proof... V.
From: Janna Hoskin on 26 Jul 2006 15:20 Eric Fahrender wrote: > As I hear people talking (writing) about diagnosis, I hear how > different doctors have had different opinions about the same person, > and a person might be lablelled Social Anxiety in one office and then > walk across the street and be labelled Asperger Syndrome. Some docs > refuse to try to subdivide Autism Spectrum Disorder into subtypes like > PDD-NOS vs. Aspie, while others subdivide at will. > > Sometimes a person will self-diagnose and then go to doctor after > doctor until they find one who gives them the diagnosis they want. > > Also in autobiographies written by autistics a couple have mentioned > that when they were children they didn't like the person giving them > tests, therefore they chose to ignore the questions, and thus they got > diagnosed as hopelessly retarded and severely autistic when in fact > they were moderately smart and perfectly able to communicate on those > rare occasions when they wanted to. > > Shouldn't we throw all these subjective measures out the window and > start using EEG, fMRI and other verifiable brain measurements to > diagnose autism? We should. But can't do that until the tests are more definitive. They aren't quite there yet. -Janna -- Respite Worker, Calgary, Alberta **THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS (@telus.net) IS NOT REAL** Officially diagnosed ADHD February 11, 2005 "Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." - Albert Camus "I want to remake the world; anything less is not worth the trouble." - Karen Cushman http://comautworld.blogspot.com
From: Naughtyautie on 26 Jul 2006 21:42 "The V person" <Victorious(a)cantbebothered.net> wrote in message news:rfPxg.73186$fb2.47363(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > > "Eric Fahrender" <nil(a)dev.nul> wrote in message > news:v2dfc29h97k97dopmfhf5sc7shuvq6drmk(a)4ax.com... >> >> As I hear people talking (writing) about diagnosis, I hear how >> different doctors have had different opinions about the same person, >> and a person might be lablelled Social Anxiety in one office and then >> walk across the street and be labelled Asperger Syndrome. Some docs >> refuse to try to subdivide Autism Spectrum Disorder into subtypes like >> PDD-NOS vs. Aspie, while others subdivide at will. >> >> Sometimes a person will self-diagnose and then go to doctor after >> doctor until they find one who gives them the diagnosis they want. >> >> Also in autobiographies written by autistics a couple have mentioned >> that when they were children they didn't like the person giving them >> tests, therefore they chose to ignore the questions, and thus they got >> diagnosed as hopelessly retarded and severely autistic when in fact >> they were moderately smart and perfectly able to communicate on those >> rare occasions when they wanted to. >> >> Shouldn't we throw all these subjective measures out the window and >> start using EEG, fMRI and other verifiable brain measurements to >> diagnose autism? > > Problem is there is no test to verify,,, > now some autistic people have partisapated in studies of the brain like > Eric Courchesne's studies and this doctor has found abnormal findings in > these peoples brains. > > http://www.courchesneautismlab.org/ > > ... I know of a few people who partisapated in these studies,,, not > personally but I know who they are cause they posted a few times on here > and said they were partisapating in these studies.. > But for the most part all Drs have to go on is what the patient tells them > (if the are an adult and through observation of how that person appears > and interacts) > > Nothing is fool proof... > V. > I would think in most cases, the doctor, if he/she is any good at reading people, can pick up the signs of autism and not even have to rely on what the patient says. This seems to have been the case with me. But still I would like to see objective ways to diagnose autism, and wonder if I would show as autistic if these ways were applied to me. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----
From: PromaBoss on 26 Jul 2006 23:12
the doctor will pick it up thats a laugh especially fdor those of us in UK doctors hardly pick anything up,its not there job to diagnose things like autism,i woud not want people just to go to there doctor and him pick it up?? how often does anyone see there doctor? not for long,doctors know very littlwe about me,though when i go to a speciialist phyciatrist who is trianed to diagnose and has a deep interest in autism then he /she can ask the right questions and delve into ones past and spend some time doing so,not just a hunch by a doctor. if it had been left to my old doctor since changed i would never got a diagnosis for anything and even whwen i applied for disabled living allowance at first it was him who stopped me from getting it,so shows how much he knew about me and how it afffects me. there will always be those who diagnose differant things,in fact in most cxases it does not matter as main thing is giving help and support to the traits displayed and not the name of the condition and its co morbids. so really they should take accoount of each trait you say you have and have had for some time and listen to how it effects your daily finctioning i dont think current diagnosis does take note much of all traits and funcioning even my ADHD diagnosis the other week missed important factors that to me were releavant . no matter how we change it still it will be down to individuals to give a label,and as long as that helps get support,whixh sadly it often does not then the name of that is not too impotant as long as it recongises its autism or neuro diverse family. regards paul "Naughtyautie" <daveleaf(a)lisco.com> wrote in message news:1153963970_12837(a)sp6iad.superfeed.net... > > "The V person" <Victorious(a)cantbebothered.net> wrote in message > news:rfPxg.73186$fb2.47363(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... >> >> "Eric Fahrender" <nil(a)dev.nul> wrote in message >> news:v2dfc29h97k97dopmfhf5sc7shuvq6drmk(a)4ax.com... >>> >>> As I hear people talking (writing) about diagnosis, I hear how >>> different doctors have had different opinions about the same person, >>> and a person might be lablelled Social Anxiety in one office and then >>> walk across the street and be labelled Asperger Syndrome. Some docs >>> refuse to try to subdivide Autism Spectrum Disorder into subtypes like >>> PDD-NOS vs. Aspie, while others subdivide at will. >>> >>> Sometimes a person will self-diagnose and then go to doctor after >>> doctor until they find one who gives them the diagnosis they want. >>> >>> Also in autobiographies written by autistics a couple have mentioned >>> that when they were children they didn't like the person giving them >>> tests, therefore they chose to ignore the questions, and thus they got >>> diagnosed as hopelessly retarded and severely autistic when in fact >>> they were moderately smart and perfectly able to communicate on those >>> rare occasions when they wanted to. >>> >>> Shouldn't we throw all these subjective measures out the window and >>> start using EEG, fMRI and other verifiable brain measurements to >>> diagnose autism? >> >> Problem is there is no test to verify,,, >> now some autistic people have partisapated in studies of the brain like >> Eric Courchesne's studies and this doctor has found abnormal findings in >> these peoples brains. >> >> http://www.courchesneautismlab.org/ >> >> ... I know of a few people who partisapated in these studies,,, not >> personally but I know who they are cause they posted a few times on here >> and said they were partisapating in these studies.. >> But for the most part all Drs have to go on is what the patient tells >> them (if the are an adult and through observation of how that person >> appears and interacts) >> >> Nothing is fool proof... >> V. >> > I would think in most cases, the doctor, if he/she is any good at reading > people, can pick up the signs of autism and not even have to rely on what > the patient says. This seems to have been the case with me. But still I > would like to see objective ways to diagnose autism, and wonder if I would > show as autistic if these ways were applied to me. > > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet > News==---- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ > Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- |