From: Rudy Canoza on
On Aug 26, 11:45 pm, Rupert <rupertmccal...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 26, 9:12 pm, Rudy Canoza <notgen...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 26, 5:22 pm, use...(a)mantra.com and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr.
>
> > Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> > > Fact City 19
>
> > > Eating Meat Wastes Our Resources
>
> > > When it comes to resource and energy wastage, meat products
> > > are a class by themselves.
>
> > > Scientists compute the energy costs of foods by the value
> > > of the raw materials consumed in the production of that
> > > food. Frances Moore Lappe reports:
>
> > > A detailed 1978 study sponsored by the Department of
> > > Interior and Commerce produced startling figures showing
> > > that the value of raw materials consumed to produce food
> > > from livestock is greater than the value of all oil,
> > > gas, and coal consumed in this country.
>
> > > The same study revealed the equally startling fact that the
> > > production of meats, dairy products and eggs accounts for
> > > one-third of the total amount of all raw materials used for
> > > all purposes in the United States.
>
> > > In contrast, growing grains, vegetables and fruits for
> > > direct human consumprion is a model of efficiency, using
> > > less than 5% the raw material consumption as does the
> > > production of meat.
>
> > > Another way scientists compute the energy costs of various
> > > foods is to assess the amount of fossil fuel needed to
> > > produce them. An American scientist, David Pimental,
>
> > Not a scientist, of course.
>
> > > calculates that if the whole world were to eat according to
> > > wasteful U.S. agricultural practices, the planet's entire
> > > petroleum reserves would be exhausted in 13 years.
>
> > So, rupie, once *AGAIN*, we see that the bogus "inefficiency" argument
> > is *not* about environmental concerns, but is, as I have always
> > maintained, a *BOGUS* argument about resource allocation, and a
> > complete *misperception* of the notion of value.- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I already conceded everything that needed to be conceded on that
> point.

No, you fudged and qualified that. It was an insincere and phony
concession - typical of your intellectual dishonesty.


> Could you answer my question in the other thread, please?
>
> Your decision to take up the hobby of trying to annoy people and waste
> their time on the internet:

No such hobby.
From: Rupert on
On Aug 27, 4:16 am, Rudy Canoza <notgen...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 26, 11:45 pm, Rupert <rupertmccal...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 26, 9:12 pm, Rudy Canoza <notgen...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 26, 5:22 pm, use...(a)mantra.com and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr.
>
> > > Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> > > > Fact City 19
>
> > > > Eating Meat Wastes Our Resources
>
> > > > When it comes to resource and energy wastage, meat products
> > > > are a class by themselves.
>
> > > > Scientists compute the energy costs of foods by the value
> > > > of the raw materials consumed in the production of that
> > > > food. Frances Moore Lappe reports:
>
> > > >  A detailed 1978 study sponsored by the Department of
> > > >  Interior and Commerce produced startling figures showing
> > > >  that the value of raw materials consumed to produce food
> > > >  from livestock is greater than the value of all oil,
> > > >  gas, and coal consumed in this country.
>
> > > > The same study revealed the equally startling fact that the
> > > > production of meats, dairy products and eggs accounts for
> > > > one-third of the total amount of all raw materials used for
> > > > all purposes in the United States.
>
> > > > In contrast, growing grains, vegetables and fruits for
> > > > direct human consumprion is a model of efficiency, using
> > > > less than 5% the raw material consumption as does the
> > > > production of meat.
>
> > > > Another way scientists compute the energy costs of various
> > > > foods is to assess the amount of fossil fuel needed to
> > > > produce them. An American scientist, David Pimental,
>
> > > Not a scientist, of course.
>
> > > > calculates that if the whole world were to eat according to
> > > > wasteful U.S. agricultural practices, the planet's entire
> > > > petroleum reserves would be exhausted in 13 years.
>
> > > So, rupie, once *AGAIN*, we see that the bogus "inefficiency" argument
> > > is *not* about environmental concerns, but is, as I have always
> > > maintained, a *BOGUS* argument about resource allocation, and a
> > > complete *misperception* of the notion of value.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I already conceded everything that needed to be conceded on that
> > point.
>
> No, you fudged and qualified that.  It was an insincere and phony
> concession - typical of your intellectual dishonesty.
>

Absolute rubbish. I gave a frank and forthright concession
immediately, and repeated it a number of times in response to your
inane ranting.

You are a pitiful liar.

> > Could you answer my question in the other thread, please?
>
> > Your decision to take up the hobby of trying to annoy people and waste
> > their time on the internet:
>
> No such hobby.

You actually think you're doing something constructive and worthwhile?
That's kind of sad.