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From: Kenny on 10 Apr 2008 20:30
On 9 Feb 2008, ch...(a)nowayjose.com (Chris) wrote:
>On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, The Master <tar...(a)nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam>
>wrote:
>>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/04/03/the-case-against-weight-=
l
>>oss-dieting/
>>
>>On the page I found while trying to find the success rate of Weight
>>Watchers, I found that diets work only 11% of the time. But I continued
>>reading the site, and found it very educational.
>>
>>Among other things:
>>
>>Every 10% of weight loss INCREASES mortality from cancer by 27%, and
>>INCREASES mortality by 14% overall.
>>
>>People who maintain their weight after college had a 29% HIGHER risk of
>>death then those who gain.
>>
>>In people between 20 and 49, the mortality rate of people with a BMI of 1=
5
>>is the same as those with a BMI of 50.
>>
>>In people between 50 and 59, the mortality rate of people with a BMI of 1=
5
>>was almost twice as much as those with a BMI of 50.
>>
>>Naturally thin people, when they increased their calorie intake, gained
>>only a few pounds before turning "hypermetabolic", even when consuming
>>10,000 calories a day!
>
>No cite on this claim.
>
>>
>>To lose weight through dieting, over weight people need to adopt eating
>>habits similar to anorexia. Most already have "normal" eating habits.
>>
>>People with a BMI of more then 25 have similar mortality rates as those
>>between 20 and 25. However, people with a BMI under 20 have about 2X tha=
t
>>same mortality rate.
>
>What about those with BMI's over 30 and 40? That's not mentioned in the
>article.
>
>>
>>The PROOF is obvious... Diets kill.
>
>
>>Citations
>>
>>Anderson JW, Konz EC, Frederich RC, Wood CL (2001), =93Long-term weight-l=
oss
>>maintenance: a meta-analysis of US studies,=94 American Journal of Clinic=
al
>>Nutrition, vol 74, p 579-584
>>
>>Blair, S.N., Kohl, Paffenbarger, Clark, Cooper, and Gibbons (1989).
>>=93Physical Fitness and All Cause Mortality, A Prospective Study of Healt=
hy
>>Men and Women,=94 Journal of the American Medical Association, vol 262 p.=

>>2395-2401.
>
>Here's the graphic from the article:
>
>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/images/fitness_bmi_and_mortality.png
>
>Here's the abstract:
>
>JAMA. 1989 Nov 3;262(17):2395-401.Links
>Comment in:
>JAMA. 1990 Apr 18;263(15):2047-8.=20
>Physical fitness and all-cause mortality. A prospective study of healthy
>men and women.Blair SN, Kohl HW 3rd, Paffenbarger RS Jr, Clark DG, Cooper
>KH, Gibbons LW.
>Institute for Aerobics Research, Dallas, Tex 75230.
>
>We studied physical fitness and risk of all-cause and cause-specific
>mortality in 10,224 men and 3120 women who were given a preventive medical=

>examination. Physical fitness was measured by a maximal treadmill exercise=

>test. Average follow-up was slightly more than 8 years, for a total of
>110,482 person-years of observation. There were 240 deaths in men and 43
>deaths in women. Age-adjusted all-cause mortality rates declined across
>physical fitness quintiles from 64.0 per 10,000 person-years in the
>least-fit men to 18.6 per 10,000 person-years in the most-fit men (slope,
>-4.5). Corresponding values for women were 39.5 per 10,000 person-years to=

>8.5 per 10,000 person-years (slope, -5.5). These trends remained after
>statistical adjustment for age, smoking habit, cholesterol level, systolic=

>blood pressure, fasting blood glucose level, parental history of coronary
>heart disease, and follow-up interval. Lower mortality rates in higher
>fitness categories also were seen for cardiovascular disease and cancer of=

>combined sites. Attributable risk estimates for all-cause mortality
>indicated that low physical fitness was an important risk factor in both
>men and women. Higher levels of physical fitness appear to delay all-cause=

>mortality primarily due to lowered rates of cardiovascular disease and
>cancer.
>
>
>>
>>Ernsberger, Paul and Koletsky, Richard (1999), =93Biomedical Rationale fo=
r a
>>Wellness Approach to Obesity,=94Journal of Social Issues, vol 55, p. 221-=
260.
>
>Editorial.
>
>>
>>Gaesser, Glenn (2002), Big Fat Lies: The Truth About Your Weight And Your=

>>Health, Updated Edition, Gurze Books, Carlsbad, CA..
>
>Fat acceptance propaganda book.
>
>>
>>Garner, David and Wooley, Susan (1991), =93Confronting the Failure of
>>Behavior and Dietary Treatments for Obesity,=94 Clinical Psychology Revie=
w,
>>vol 11, p 729-780.
>
>Editorial based on creative interpretations of published studies.
>
>>
>>Kassierer, Jerome and Angell, Marcia (1998), =93Losing Weight - An Ill-Fa=
ted
>>New Year=92s Resolution,=94 New England Journal of Medicine, vol 338(1), =
p 52-54.
>
>Editorial based on creative interpretations of published studies.
>
>>
>>Miller, Wayne (1999). =93How effective are traditional dietary and exerci=
se
>>interventions for weight loss?,=94 Medicine and Science in Sports and
>>Exercise, vol 31 no 8 p. 1129-1134
>
>Here's the extract:
>
>1: Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1999 Aug;31(8):1129-34. Links
>How effective are traditional dietary and exercise interventions for weigh=
t
>loss?Miller WC.
>Exercise Science Programs, The George Washington University Medical Center=
,
>Washington DC 20052, USA. wmil...(a)gwu.edu
>
>Health care professionals have used restrictive dieting and exercise
>intervention strategies in an effort to combat the rising prevalence of
>obesity in affluent countries. In spite of these efforts, the prevalence o=
f
>obesity continues to rise. This apparent ineffectiveness of diet and
>exercise programming to reduce obesity has caused many health care
>providers, obesity researchers, and lay persons to challenge the further
>use of diet and exercise for the sole purpose of reducing body weight in
>the obese. The purposes of this paper were to examine the history and
>effectiveness of diet and exercise in obesity therapy and to determine the=

>best future approach for health promotion in the obese population. A brief=

>survey of the most popular dieting techniques used over the past 40 yr
>shows that most techniques cycle in and out of popularity and that many of=

>these techniques may be hazardous to health. Data from the scientific
>community indicate that a 15-wk diet or diet plus exercise program produce=
s
>a weight loss of about 11 kg with a 60-80% maintenance after 1 yr. Althoug=
h
>long-term follow-up data are meager, the data that do exist suggest almost=

>complete relapse after 3-5 yr. The paucity of data provided by the
>weight-loss industry has been inadequate or inconclusive. Those who
>challenge the use of diet and exercise solely for weight control purposes
>base their position on the absence of weight-loss effectiveness data and o=
n
>the presence of harmful effects of restrictive dieting. Any intervention
>strategy for the obese should be one that would promote the development of=

>a healthy lifestyle. The outcome parameters used to evaluate the success o=
f
>such an intervention should be specific to chronic disease risk and
>symptomatologies and not limited to medically ambiguous variables like bod=
y
>weight or body composition.
>
>The extract clearly states that there is a lack of adequate data.
>>
>>Westenhoefer J, von Falck B, Stellfeldt A, and Fintelmann S (2004).
>>=93Behavioural correlates of successful weight reduction over 3y. Results=

>>from the Lean Habits Study,=94 International Journal of Obesity, vol 28 (=
2),
>>p 334-335
>
>
>1: Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2004 Feb;28(2):334-5. Links
>Behavioural correlates of successful weight reduction over 3 y. Results
>from the Lean Habits Study.Westenhoefer J, von Falck B, Stellfeldt A,
>Fintelmann S.
>Department of Nutrition and Home Economics, Hamburg University of Applied
>Sciences, Hamburg, Germany. joac...(a)westenhoefer.de
>
>OBJECTIVE: To examine behavioural characteristics of subjects with
>successful long-term weight reduction. DESIGN: Prospective cohort study
>with 3 y follow-up. SETTING: Multicentre study of participants of a
>commercial weight-reduction programme (BCM-Programme). SUBJECTS: Until
>February 2000, 6857 voluntary study participants were included. Analyses
>are based on 1247 subjects with complete 3 y data. INTERVENTIONS:
>Open-group dietary and behavioural counselling with initial meal
>substitutions. RESULTS: Subjects show a number of significant behavioural
>improvements, for example, choice of low-fat food, flexible control of
>eating behaviour and coping with stress. Subjects who maintain these
>changes by the end of the first year have a higher probability of
>successful weight reduction after 3 y. CONCLUSIONS: Successful weight
>maintenance is associated with more pronounced improvements of health
>behaviours after 1 y. The likelihood of success increases with the number
>of behavioural patterns which are involved in the process of change.
>
>The Amptoons article is full of intentional misinterpretations and
>misrepresentations of studies, plus it relies on questionable editorials t=
o
>make its point.
>
>You lose, fatboy. Do your research next time.

You ignored this message last time. I am reposting it since you referenced=

this web site again as a credible source to justify your fat acceptance.
You should have no problems responding to each point made in this response.=


Are you going to respond or prove that, once again, you are a snip and run
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