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From: Sue on 9 Dec 2005 11:31 Someone asked why I cross-posted a question by "ClaireC." Because I care about patients that pay lots of money to undergo elective cosmetic dental procedures when they do not understand the risks. Many have no idea that these procedures are NOT without risk. Many dentists do not properly inform patients. Some are more concerned about "closing the deal." I am convinced that most patients are not adequately informed about the potential risks and future complications that they may endure following these procedures. Potential Pathologies that can result from these procedures: -Root death that requires root canal threapy (RCT) -RCT can then result in root fracture or other complications such as complete fracture of the tooth -Gum recession -Altered bite relationship that can lead to TMD and/or TMJ if parafunction is already present Other Potential Complications that can occur that are often not expressed by the dentist: -Chipping of veneers -Veneers/crowns can fall off -These do not last forever; redo is necessary at some point in time *********************************************************************************** My own experience: I had bonding done years ago by a friend (Nancy, a dentist; we attended HS and college together). This was great. It covered 6 of my tetracyline stained teeth. Years later Nancy mentioned that I should consider 8 veneers (would provide a most cosmetically appealing smile). She moved out of state with her husband (another dentist, plus PhD in material science). So I sought a new dentist. After about 2 years with this new dentist, I asked about veneers. He recommended full porcelain crowns on 6 of my upper teeth to replace the bonding. He told me that he just did this on his wife, full lower and upper.. complete redo. Full crowns. So I thought he must know what he is doing if he just did this on his wife. I said I would like to do 8, as that is what Nancy had recommended. He only completed the work on 7 as it was taking too much time. But then there was a path of hell for about 2 years following this work. I still have a poor bite relationship that gives me trouble at times (chronic pain), but I deal with it. BTW, after several of the complications were attended to one by one, on one visit, my dentist informed me not to eat Power Bars. His wife had just broken her front tooth off at the base. Wow. It may have been helpful to know these precautions PRIOR to committing myself to having all of this expensive work done. What I thought would be a 2 week process ended up being a life-long irritant, months of pain and sufferring, weight loss, additional expense, a lot of missed work and psychological stress. And I could still have further complications following the RCT already performed and/or require further RCT. The latest was that one crown fell off while I was eating. That was not pleasant. Oh well. So yes. I care about patients that want to have beautiful smiles, but are largely uniformed about the potential risks involved with these expensive procedures. On a POSTIVE note. During this experience, I was helped greatly by the dentists at www.dentistry.com. Due to their kindness & diligence in seeing me through all this FOR FREE!, I decided to give back to dentistry. I contacted our MDA (state dental association). There was a program called Give Kids a Smile that needed some volunteers. This program provides 2 days of free care to children <18 in our state. I got involved. They needed someone to write a database for them and perform queries. I did this in my spare time. When the (2-day) event finally came around, my sister-in-law (who is fluent in spanish) and I helped with patients at a large clinic in Mpls. It was a wonderful experience. There were so many thankful families. There were so many healthcare professionals working toegther and spreading goodwill in our community. It was great. It made me think that my whole experience (with my own teeth) was worthwhile. It made me think that all of the bad times happened for a reason. That is how my interest in dentistry has evolved. I am sorry that my input and presence on this forum has been a rocky road with some of the participants here. I just do not understand the group dynamics here, but I wish to get along. Sincerely, Sue
From: The Webby on 9 Dec 2005 12:46 In article <1134145903.262661.105360(a)z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "Sue" <chrlie699(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Someone asked why I cross-posted a question by "ClaireC." > > Because I care about patients that pay lots of money to undergo > elective cosmetic dental procedures when they do not understand the > risks. Many have no idea that these procedures are NOT without risk. > Many dentists do not properly inform patients. Some are more concerned > about "closing the deal." > > I am convinced that most patients are not adequately informed about the > potential risks and future complications that they may endure following > these procedures. > > Potential Pathologies that can result from these procedures: > -Root death that requires root canal threapy (RCT) > -RCT can then result in root fracture or other complications such as > complete fracture of the tooth > -Gum recession > -Altered bite relationship that can lead to TMD and/or TMJ if > parafunction is already present > > Other Potential Complications that can occur that are often not > expressed by the dentist: > -Chipping of veneers > -Veneers/crowns can fall off > -These do not last forever; redo is necessary at some point in time > > ****************************************************************************** > ***** > My own experience: > > I had bonding done years ago by a friend (Nancy, a dentist; we attended > HS and college together). This was great. It covered 6 of my > tetracyline stained teeth. Years later Nancy mentioned that I should > consider 8 veneers (would provide a most cosmetically appealing smile). > She moved out of state with her husband (another dentist, plus PhD > in material science). So I sought a new dentist. > > After about 2 years with this new dentist, I asked about veneers. He > recommended full porcelain crowns on 6 of my upper teeth to replace > the bonding. He told me that he just did this on his wife, full lower > and upper.. complete redo. Full crowns. So I thought he must know > what he is doing if he just did this on his wife. > > I said I would like to do 8, as that is what Nancy had recommended. He > only completed the work on 7 as it was taking too much time. > > But then there was a path of hell for about 2 years following this > work. I still have a poor bite relationship that gives me trouble at > times (chronic pain), but I deal with it. > > BTW, after several of the complications were attended to one by one, on > one visit, my dentist informed me not to eat Power Bars. His wife had > just broken her front tooth off at the base. > > Wow. It may have been helpful to know these precautions PRIOR to > committing myself to having all of this expensive work done. What I > thought would be a 2 week process ended up being a life-long irritant, > months of pain and sufferring, weight loss, additional expense, a lot > of missed work and psychological stress. And I could still have > further complications following the RCT already performed and/or > require further RCT. > > The latest was that one crown fell off while I was eating. That was not > pleasant. Oh well. > > So yes. I care about patients that want to have beautiful smiles, but > are largely uniformed about the potential risks involved with these > expensive procedures. > > On a POSTIVE note. > During this experience, I was helped greatly by the dentists at > www.dentistry.com. > > Due to their kindness & diligence in seeing me through all this FOR > FREE!, I decided to give back to dentistry. I contacted our MDA (state > dental association). > > There was a program called Give Kids a Smile that needed some > volunteers. This program provides 2 days of free care to children <18 > in our state. I got involved. They needed someone to write a database > for them and perform queries. I did this in my spare time. > > When the (2-day) event finally came around, my sister-in-law (who is > fluent in spanish) and I helped with patients at a large clinic in > Mpls. > > It was a wonderful experience. There were so many thankful families. > There were so many healthcare professionals working toegther and > spreading goodwill in our community. It was great. It made me think > that my whole experience (with my own teeth) was worthwhile. It made me > think that all of the bad times happened for a reason. > > That is how my interest in dentistry has evolved. > > I am sorry that my input and presence on this forum has been a rocky > road with some of the participants here. I just do not understand the > group dynamics here, but I wish to get along. > > Sincerely, > Sue Sue, Group dynamics IRL (in real life) are complicated enough. But group dynamics in a public online forum or any sort are probably far more complex than you realize. Where there is an established group, there is history. It sort of becomes a newcomer's duty to find a way to familiarity with a group that has a history as a group. I've been here since 1994. I've seen lots of posters come and go. I've even seen myself coming and going for some very interesting reasons. Everyone who comes here (even post and run spammers) does so with a reason... and everyone who stays here for a period of useful time does so with a reason and then leaves with a reason. What I'm trying to say here is that it takes work to find ones place within any group anywhere. But here in cyberspace, there are dimensions to our participation that take time and patience in order to develop. Sharing your experience was a good place to begin. As for being in the dog-house (in the kill-file) -- I don't know how you'll get yourself out, but I'm sure you can find a way because there are a lot of good hearted people here who would prefer not to see you or anyone in the dog-house too long. The Webby
From: Stovepipe on 9 Dec 2005 12:37 Sue <chrlie699(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > That is how my interest in dentistry has evolved. > > I am sorry that my input and presence on this forum has been a rocky > road with some of the participants here. I just do not understand the > group dynamics here, but I wish to get along. > > Sincerely, > Sue I will _still_ find you and I will _still_ kill you if you mention Ross Nash and Howard Farrannnnn over here.... Hope your teeth stay in one piece. SP -- Take out the TRAASH to reply
From: kureforcrohns on 9 Dec 2005 12:52 If you think your road is rocky on this group with some participants, I think you are mistaken. You always have something useful to say, even when you include someone else. What is not clear is where was your Dad (a dentist, you said) when all this work was going on. Did you not inform him or was he too busy to notice. Sometimes we are afraid to say too much, not always knowing what is the best course, but having nothing said to me thru the years, as has been my experience always, leaves me with much consternation, at my OB physician, who I do not recall ever giving me any vitamin advice. Blame can be everywhere, and I do throw it everywhere, at least it's easier coping. One very good reason for restricting anti-depressants and stimulants, as they are definitely a source of harm, if crohns becomes a problem. Some lessons are learned in a very regrettable way. Gail "Sue" <chrlie699(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1134145903.262661.105360(a)z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Someone asked why I cross-posted a question by "ClaireC." > > Because I care about patients that pay lots of money to undergo > elective cosmetic dental procedures when they do not understand the > risks. Many have no idea that these procedures are NOT without risk. > Many dentists do not properly inform patients. Some are more concerned > about "closing the deal." > > I am convinced that most patients are not adequately informed about the > potential risks and future complications that they may endure following > these procedures. > > Potential Pathologies that can result from these procedures: > -Root death that requires root canal threapy (RCT) > -RCT can then result in root fracture or other complications such as > complete fracture of the tooth > -Gum recession > -Altered bite relationship that can lead to TMD and/or TMJ if > parafunction is already present > > Other Potential Complications that can occur that are often not > expressed by the dentist: > -Chipping of veneers > -Veneers/crowns can fall off > -These do not last forever; redo is necessary at some point in time > > **************************************************************************** ******* > My own experience: > > I had bonding done years ago by a friend (Nancy, a dentist; we attended > HS and college together). This was great. It covered 6 of my > tetracyline stained teeth. Years later Nancy mentioned that I should > consider 8 veneers (would provide a most cosmetically appealing smile). > She moved out of state with her husband (another dentist, plus PhD > in material science). So I sought a new dentist. > > After about 2 years with this new dentist, I asked about veneers. He > recommended full porcelain crowns on 6 of my upper teeth to replace > the bonding. He told me that he just did this on his wife, full lower > and upper.. complete redo. Full crowns. So I thought he must know > what he is doing if he just did this on his wife. > > I said I would like to do 8, as that is what Nancy had recommended. He > only completed the work on 7 as it was taking too much time. > > But then there was a path of hell for about 2 years following this > work. I still have a poor bite relationship that gives me trouble at > times (chronic pain), but I deal with it. > > BTW, after several of the complications were attended to one by one, on > one visit, my dentist informed me not to eat Power Bars. His wife had > just broken her front tooth off at the base. > > Wow. It may have been helpful to know these precautions PRIOR to > committing myself to having all of this expensive work done. What I > thought would be a 2 week process ended up being a life-long irritant, > months of pain and sufferring, weight loss, additional expense, a lot > of missed work and psychological stress. And I could still have > further complications following the RCT already performed and/or > require further RCT. > > The latest was that one crown fell off while I was eating. That was not > pleasant. Oh well. > > So yes. I care about patients that want to have beautiful smiles, but > are largely uniformed about the potential risks involved with these > expensive procedures. > > On a POSTIVE note. > During this experience, I was helped greatly by the dentists at > www.dentistry.com. > > Due to their kindness & diligence in seeing me through all this FOR > FREE!, I decided to give back to dentistry. I contacted our MDA (state > dental association). > > There was a program called Give Kids a Smile that needed some > volunteers. This program provides 2 days of free care to children <18 > in our state. I got involved. They needed someone to write a database > for them and perform queries. I did this in my spare time. > > When the (2-day) event finally came around, my sister-in-law (who is > fluent in spanish) and I helped with patients at a large clinic in > Mpls. > > It was a wonderful experience. There were so many thankful families. > There were so many healthcare professionals working toegther and > spreading goodwill in our community. It was great. It made me think > that my whole experience (with my own teeth) was worthwhile. It made me > think that all of the bad times happened for a reason. > > That is how my interest in dentistry has evolved. > > I am sorry that my input and presence on this forum has been a rocky > road with some of the participants here. I just do not understand the > group dynamics here, but I wish to get along. > > Sincerely, > Sue >
From: Tim Dixon on 9 Dec 2005 13:16
So you think by cross-posting junk from elsewhere here you are going to be their savior? Get real, this is a joke and you should really get a life, because the way you're going you are doing more harm than good. "Sue" <chrlie699(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1134145903.262661.105360(a)z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Someone asked why I cross-posted a question by "ClaireC." > > Because I care about patients that pay lots of money to undergo > elective cosmetic dental procedures when they do not understand the > risks. Many have no idea that these procedures are NOT without risk. > Many dentists do not properly inform patients. Some are more concerned > about "closing the deal." |