Who should pay for medical training.?
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From: guy on 6 Mar 2006 21:43 Some of think that all medical training is the obligation of the collective system called government.. It already subsidized in many ways, much more than publicized.. The issue of medical student receiving fair benefit for the extra years in training may be proper and a final benefit to society. I hate to see the very bright person not getting to be a doctor ( if they desire) because of money. In the late 50's I did supervise a University research effort where we provided work for premed and medical students. I am aware of many of the issues I am also aware that on three recent trips to doctors, only one of them earned what was paid to them. Guy Face it. The medical system is and must be very expensive. It is only how we fund it and when and how we pay for it.. Guy ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----
From: BJ in Texas on 7 Mar 2006 10:06 guy <guys(a)consolidated.neet> wrote: || Some of think that all medical training is the || obligation of the collective system called || government.. || If government pays for medical training, all doctors should become government employees and the job should be classified as civil service. Doctors should then receive a monthly wage. All doctors wanting to work outside of the new government healthcare system should be required to move out of the country. -- "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw
From: Ma?k on 7 Mar 2006 11:56 On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:06:59 GMT, "BJ in Texas" <bjtexas(a)hotmale.con> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >guy <guys(a)consolidated.neet> wrote: >|| Some of think that all medical training is the >|| obligation of the collective system called >|| government.. >|| > >If government pays for medical training, all doctors should >become >government employees and the job should be classified as civil >service. Doctors should then receive a monthly wage. All doctors >wanting to work outside of the new government healthcare system >should be required to move out of the country. no, they don't have to move out. but they damn well better pay the tax payer back for the loan on their education. -- M?ck?? Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ....Theodore Roosevelt (o ?) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone.
From: guy on 7 Mar 2006 12:48 On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:56:26 -0500, Ma?k <stopthespam(a)shootspammers.com> wrote: >On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:06:59 GMT, "BJ in Texas" <bjtexas(a)hotmale.con> >Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: > >>guy <guys(a)consolidated.neet> wrote: >>|| Some of think that all medical training is the >>|| obligation of the collective system called >>|| government.. >>|| >> >>If government pays for medical training, all doctors should >>become >>government employees and the job should be classified as civil >>service. Doctors should then receive a monthly wage. All doctors >>wanting to work outside of the new government healthcare system >>should be required to move out of the country. > >no, they don't have to move out. but they damn well better pay the >tax payer back for the loan on their education. Mack, , you might be surprised by the percentage of medical training paid for by the taxpayers by several ploys. I think that is good. I note that the profession does not focus on this fact. The GI bill after WW2 applied to a bunch of people that were matured from war was a minor miracle. We profit from that crew today. In my old days I note a shrinking pool of that crew. The results are showing in certain sciences. The " Where is the buck" crew is not concerned about the real progress. I suspect it is showing up in our drug industry. I hope some future administration will recognize the problems and the lobbyists will fail to bias any health legislation. If not, you should learn to speak Chinese. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----
From: William C Biggs MD on 8 Mar 2006 00:21
BJ in Texas, The government pays a significant portion of the costs for medical education at public medical schools already. It may surprise you BJ, but you helped pay for my medical education in Texas. I was a non-resident, so I paid the higher rate. It was $900 per year. You also paid for my wife's education. It was $300 per year. Thank you. Public medical education currently is funded by state and federal tax dollars, medical practice receipts, research grants, tuition receipts, and charitable donations. The tuition costs have escalated tremendously, and now average from $15,000 to $30,000 for public & private schools. While I was getting this education, my college roommates had $50,000 a year jobs with high tech computer companies. Meanwhile I was racking up student loans for my living expenses. Today's med students graduate with an average debt load exceeding $100,000. This education qualified me to be worked like a dog at below minimum wage for the subsequent 3 years. After that, I was paid slightly more than the minimum wage for the next couple years. By the time I entered private practice, I was almost 30 and began payments on all my loans. My college buddies at the software firm had been there 9 years and were now executives of a major corporation. I'm not sure that converting doctors into indentured civil servants would have been appealing to me, or any of my classmates. In that scenario, I would have gone with my friends into a computer firm, rather than spending the next 9 years sleepless, and unpaid/underpaid. And my classmates today? They are on their 3rd computer firm, and still make more than I do. They work hard, have fun. And when they go home, they don't get called at 3am because somebody is passing blood out their rectum. They don't get vomited on. They don't get threatened by malpractice suits. They don't get their pay cut annually by Medicare or the PPOs. Would I do it over again? Right now I would say, 'probably'. That's sad, because 10 years ago I would have said 'absolutely, positively'. What's also sad is that when doctors are asked if they would recommend medicine as a career for their children, the majority now say NO. Your strategy to require doctors to be civil servants has already been implemented and tested. In Russia. As a result, the amount of training required to be a doctor in Russia is similar to what a Registered Nurse gets in the US. The pay for Russian doctors is about the same as the Russian nurses, too. It is pretty hard for graduates of Russian medical schools to come to the US. Most of them can't pass the board exams to do residencies here. It appears that the best & brightest Russians do not pick medical careers. Hardly a rousing endorsement of your plan. The quality of people you get will depend upon the attractiveness of the job. If it is a low pay civil service rut, you won't be attracting persons with the skill levels needed for the job. It would likely create a two-tier system, similar to the UK. Those who can't afford private medicine get whatever they can through the public system. The well-to-do use the private doctors. And the best few doctors get pulled into the private system.... BJ, what is needed is a system where we have good doctors, who enjoy their work, and who work effectively & efficiently. "WCB in Texas" "BJ in Texas" <bjtexas(a)hotmale.con> wrote in message news:nkhPf.34684$_S7.8008(a)newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... |