From: Jan Drew on

"Peter Moran" <pmoran(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
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> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Martin" <idontwantno(a)spam> wrote in message
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>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:20:48 +1100, "Carole" <hubbca(a)iimetro.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Some good Hulda Clark links at
>>>>http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/HuldaClark/index.htm
>>>>
>>>>Including a link to one of her earlier books, 'The Cure for all
>>>>Diseases'
>>>>which is online in pdf format.
>>>>
>>>>I'm going to have a read and find out just what she is all about.
>>>>
>>>>Carole
>>>>www.cellsalts.net
>>>
>>> Carole, why would you waste even one minute reading any of her stuff,
>>> other than out of morbid curiosity, since she can not produce even one
>>> person her 'Cure' has cured? Don't you have a life?
>>> And how about this: first she published this book which supposedly
>>> contains the cure for *all* diseases, then she published a book with
>>> the cure for cancer. That should have been in the first book, since
>>> it's the cure for *all* disease. Something doesn't add up here Carole.
>>
>> http://www.bestzapper.com/who_is_dr_clark.html
>
> Jan, don't you dare promote these people!! Arthur Doerksen claims to
> have cured himself of cancer TWICE, but he is an entirely untrustworthy
> person who now sells Zappers and other quack material.

My word, looks like I struck a nerve. Settle down, Peter. Auther did not
claim to cure
himself. For someone who sees no coverups and thinks it is A OK to file
deliberate, repeated reports
and violations, you are one to speak of untrustworthy. The doc who KILLED
remains on staff.
Now...there is a low down dirty quack.

Auther and his wife are very devoted Christian people. They have the right
to sell anything they like.
Especially, what they KNOW works!

>
> I use his testimonials In "How to Read a Cancer Testimonial
> http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/how_to_read_a_testimonial.htm to
> show how unreliable many really are (see below) .
>
> These people were also involved with and encouraging the poor soul whose
> awful lip cancer photos appear on the same web page. That man used
> Hulda's methods and treatment for the Doerksons including Zappers until
> he realized they didn't work. Hulda must have treated many patients
> with photos of the cancer like this. Why can't she show them responding
> to her treatment? Why, for that matter are you STILL unable to accept that
> (at least) her cancer claims are quackery?

This is a repeated lie. I have proven previously.
I thought you said you had read her books? Evidently, not.
Where are your books, Peter and your own photos?
>
> To make matters worse, the Doerksens think they are good Christians.

Indeed they are.

We committed my health into God's hands in prayer, and I began taking ten
grams of Vitamin C a day (as sodium ascorbate, recommended by Linus
Pauling). Lyn moved us to a diet of foods "as close as possible to the hand
of God", free of sugar, processing and preservatives. We also tried herbal
teas (Essiac and taheebo) and anti-oxidants: vitamins A (beta carotene), E,
selenium and zinc. At Christmas, 1989, I had an excision about two inches in
diameter at the original site to clear up some things Lyn did not like. The
pathology showed melanoma, but the margins were clear. Nothing came back
after that.


Meditation, reading the Bible and prayer - � to 1 hour per day, usually
first thing in the morning while zapping (see picture). We cannot live on
bread alone.

>
> Quote---
> From the web site http://bestzapper.com/testmony.htm --
>
>
>
> "I first noticed the tumor in my left breast in April 1994 when I felt a
> sharp pain when I got a hug. I assumed it was a bruise, but it did not go
> away. My wife Lyn checked it and found a small lump directly behind the
> nipple. It grew in size and discomfort for seven months till it was about
> 1.25 inches across and 0.25 inches thick, and was starting to head toward
> my armpit. I was still taking eight grams of vitamin C daily with the
> other anti-oxidants. Then in November 1994, we got Dr. Hulda Regehr
> Clark's first book, The Cure for All Cancers. In the book she gives her
> theory that cancer is caused by a common parasite, the human intestinal
> fluke (fasciolopsis buskii), "catalyzed" by isopropyl alcohol accumulated
> in the liver.
>
> On November 23, 1994, I began the herbal parasite program. Lyn went
> through the house clearing out all isopropyl-tainted soaps, shampoos,
> foods, body products, cleaners and other solvents. She put four cardboard
> boxes of the stuff outside under our deck. After five days on the parasite
> herbs I noticed that the pain reduced greatly. Dr. Clark says the
> parasites die on the fifth day with the herbs. After two weeks Lyn could
> feel a noticeable decrease in the size of the tumor, and after three
> months the tumor was gone! "
>
And STILL is!
>
>
> My comments -- This is an absolutely typical story for gynaecomastia, a
> common (but rarely discussed for obvious reasons) benign condition of the
> male breast. It mostly resolves spontaneously after some months. . It
> is commonly due to medications and in this instance could have been due to
> one of the alternative products he was taking.

Quite a twist there. It is commonly due to medications.
>
> Women also often provide testimonials of presumed "breast cancers" going
> away with alternative treatments. Yet at least nine out of ten female
> breast lumps are benign (i.e. not cancer), and even suspicious breast
> lumps coming to biopsy prove to be mostly benign. They are usually due to
> variants of hormonally dependent fibrocystic disease and many will go away
> by themselves after a few menstrual cycles.

Oh, but mammograms bring in the big bucks, even though they are not
supported by current data.

Which reminds me of a certain lie told here. *No lump, lump head.*
>
>
> It is difficult to think of any situation where a testimonial lacking a
> biopsy diagnosis of cancer is worthy of notice, although metastatic cancer
> can often be confidently diagnosed by typical appearances on imaging
> (scans, x-rays) and marker studies.

Say what?!?!

Quote:

My mother's family history was rife with cancer: she had five different
types of cancer on five different occasions. Before she was married she lost
her right leg to sarcoma in the knee. Her mother and most of her siblings
died early of cancer. On the other side, my father's father was the first
recorded victim of pancreatic cancer in the province of Manitoba. I thought
I definitely had the "cancer genes" or predisposition to this dread disease.

My first cancer developed from a mole on my left shoulder. It had been a bit
red, but not alarmingly so. I had had many moles taken off before, just to
be safe, but none had tested malignant. When I bumped this one on a machine
I was repairing, it bled profusely. I went straight to the doctor to have it
excised. He took it off routinely, but found it was a very aggressive
malignant melanoma, Clark's level 3. I went to a surgeon who recommended a
five-inch circular full depth excision and dissection of the lymph nodes
under my left arm, followed by radiation and chemo. When I rejected his
"cut, burn and poison," he put enormous pressure on my wife, Lyn, to
persuade me.

We instead contacted the Cancer Control Society, and began intensive
research on alternative cancer therapies. Though I had been well versed in
medical technology and pharmacology, a cursory survey of the effectiveness
of conventional treatments showed that "modern medical science" was losing
the war on cancer at an alarming rate (see the details: click here). An
alternative was needed, and we chose to build up my immune system rather
than let the surgeon attack it.

I tested free of malignancy, but had high mercury levels from tooth
fillings. Lyn and I have since had all the metal removed from our mouths and
replaced with a composite called Helio-Molar from IvoClar. Later we found
out that Helio-Molar leaks fluoride, by design! I now would insist on
Diamondcrown material from Biodent as my first choice, or Z100 composite
from 3M.
>
> The author of the above testimonial claims to have cured himself of
> incurable cancer twice.

**I WAS HEALED OF CANCER**


The other instance was a level lll melanoma,
> removed from his shoulder in 1987. Level lll means that the melanoma
> has not yet gone through the full thickness of the skin or even into the
> reticular dermis, the thickest layer of the skin. It does not mean an
> advanced cancer, and no other spread is described. . Simple excision will
> be curative in the vast majority of such cases. The graph at
> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm
> shows that the 15 year survival rate of Stage l melanoma, as this was, is
> in the vicinity of 75-80%) . The surgeon seems to have offered him
> unnecessarily aggressive treatment if this story is true in all other
> respects.
>
> PM
>
>
Oh, I know all about how some surgeons offer unnecessary aggressive
treatment.
So does Auther, that's why he was not fooled.

I also know Dr Hulda Clark PERSONALLY! and Dr Schaffer.

Instead he is alive and well, thanks to his own research, Dr Hulda Clark and
mostly God.

Unlike Jessi who is dead because of the LIES, vested interest,
cover-ups, and ALL the wrong doings by Dr Wilson.

You don't have that on your quackery website, do you, Peter? Why?

Furthermore, you don't know me very well. Those who do never, ever *dare*
me.
They know why.

Now...run along and quack somewhere else. It does NOT work with me NEVER
has and NEVER will.
>
>

From: jurimed2 on
On Jan 1, 11:37 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...(a)internode.on.net> wrote:
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> news:BeBej.3675$lo5.2953(a)newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Martin" <idontwantno(a)spam> wrote in message
> >news:e0lkn35p87rql3v1vg219g8sgv9edbe14j(a)4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:20:48 +1100, "Carole" <hub...(a)iimetro.com.au>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>Some good Hulda Clark links at
> >>>http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/HuldaClark/index.htm
>
> >>>Including a link to one of her earlier books, 'The Cure for all Diseases'
> >>>which is online in pdf format.
>
> >>>I'm going to have a read and find out just what she is all about.
>
> >>>Carole
> >>>www.cellsalts.net
>
> >> Carole, why would you waste even one minute reading any of her stuff,
> >> other than out of morbid curiosity, since she can not produce even one
> >> person her 'Cure' has cured? Don't you have a life?
> >> And how about this: first she published this book which supposedly
> >> contains the cure for *all* diseases, then she published a book with
> >> the cure for cancer. That should have been in the first book, since
> >> it's the cure for *all* disease. Something doesn't add up here Carole.
>
> >http://www.bestzapper.com/who_is_dr_clark.html
>
> Jan, don't you dare promote these  people!!    Arthur Doerksen claims to
> have cured himself of cancer TWICE, but he is an entirely untrustworthy
> person who now sells Zappers and other quack material.
>
> I use his testimonials In "How to Read a Cancer Testimonialhttp://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/how_to_read_a_testimonial.htm to
> show how unreliable  many really are (see below) .
>
> These people were also involved with and encouraging the poor soul whose
> awful lip cancer photos appear on the same  web page.  That man used Hulda's
> methods and  treatment for the Doerksons including Zappers until he realized
> they didn't work.    Hulda must have treated many patients with photos of
> the cancer like this.  Why can't she show them responding to her treatment?
> Why, for that matter are you STILL unable to accept that (at least) her
> cancer claims are quackery?
>
> To make matters worse, the Doerksens think they are good Christians.
>
> Quote---
> From  the web sitehttp://bestzapper.com/testmony.htm--
>
> "I first noticed the tumor in my left breast in April 1994 when I felt a
> sharp pain when I got a hug. I assumed it was a bruise, but it did not go
> away. My wife Lyn checked it and found a small lump directly behind the
> nipple. It grew in size and discomfort for seven months till it was about
> 1.25 inches across and 0.25 inches thick, and was starting to head toward my
> armpit. I was still taking eight grams of vitamin C daily with the other
> anti-oxidants. Then in November 1994, we got Dr. Hulda Regehr Clark's first
> book, The Cure for All Cancers. In the book she gives her theory that cancer
> is caused by a common parasite, the human intestinal fluke (fasciolopsis
> buskii), "catalyzed" by isopropyl alcohol accumulated in the liver.
>
> On November 23, 1994, I began the herbal parasite program. Lyn went through
> the house clearing out all isopropyl-tainted soaps, shampoos, foods, body
> products, cleaners and other solvents. She put four cardboard boxes of the
> stuff outside under our deck. After five days on the parasite herbs I
> noticed that the pain reduced greatly. Dr. Clark says the parasites die on
> the fifth day with the herbs. After two weeks Lyn could feel a noticeable
> decrease in the size of the tumor, and after three months the tumor was
> gone! "
>
> My comments -- This is an absolutely typical story for gynaecomastia,  a
> common (but rarely discussed for obvious reasons) benign condition of the
> male breast.   It mostly resolves spontaneously after some months. .  It is
> commonly due to medications and in this instance could have been due to one
> of the alternative  products he was taking.
>
> Women also often provide testimonials of presumed   "breast cancers" going
> away with alternative treatments.    Yet at least nine out of ten female
> breast lumps are benign (i.e. not cancer), and even  suspicious breast lumps
> coming to biopsy prove to be mostly benign.  They are usually due to
> variants of hormonally dependent fibrocystic disease and many will go away
> by themselves after a few menstrual cycles.
>
> It is difficult to think of any situation where a testimonial lacking a
> biopsy diagnosis of cancer is worthy of notice, although metastatic cancer
> can often be confidently diagnosed by typical appearances on imaging (scans,
> x-rays) and marker studies.
>
> The author of the above testimonial claims to have cured himself of
> incurable cancer twice.  The other instance was a level lll melanoma,
> removed from his shoulder in 1987.    Level lll  means that the melanoma has
> not yet gone through the full thickness of the skin or even into the
> reticular dermis, the thickest layer of the skin.  It does not mean an
> advanced cancer, and no other spread is described.  . Simple excision will
> be curative in the vast majority of such cases.  The graph athttp://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm
> shows that the 15 year survival rate of Stage l melanoma, as this was,  is
> in the vicinity of  75-80%) .   The surgeon seems to have offered him
> unnecessarily aggressive treatment if this story is true in all other
> respects.
>
>  PM
>
> www.cancerwatcher.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Peter Moran:

You are, again claiming expertise you apparently are unable to
validate. You have not yet sent me your Patient list so we can verify
your claims of expertise. Why not?

Concerned about your credibiity in California...

Tim Bolen
From: jurimed2 on
On Jan 2, 1:29 am, Martin <idontwantno(a)spam> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:03:13 +1100, "Carole" <hub...(a)iimetro.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Martin" <idontwantno(a)spam> wrote in message
> >news:e0lkn35p87rql3v1vg219g8sgv9edbe14j(a)4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:20:48 +1100, "Carole" <hub...(a)iimetro.com.au>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Some good Hulda Clark links at
> >> >http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/HuldaClark/index.htm
>
> >> >Including a link to one of her earlier books, 'The Cure for all Diseases'
> >> >which is online in pdf format.
>
> >> >I'm going to have a read and find out just what she is all about.
>
> >> >Carole
> >> >www.cellsalts.net
>
> >> Carole, why would you waste even one minute reading any of her stuff,
> >> other than out of morbid curiosity, since she can not produce even one
> >> person her 'Cure' has cured? Don't you have a life?
>
> >I see what you mean about her methods. If I was her, and trying to sell an
> >unconventional theory such as fluke worms, I would go into more detail to
> >explain why people had never seen them before and how researchers had missed
> >them.
>
> If *I* was her, I'd show some people to the world who I had cured of
> cancer. Only then would I go into the methods. Who cares about methods
> if you can't show there any effect that needs explaining?
> Of course, the fact that there are no such people speaks volumes. At
> least to me. Apparently, it does not bother you at all.
>
> >She says these parasites exist because their frequency shows up with the
> >zapper -- maybe. (I need to think about it a bit more.)
>
> So basically she says that she knows the parasites were there because
> her zapper made them go away. Pretty convenient, don't you think?
>
> >She gives a fair few areas where she zaps parasites and then advises on
> >avoiding pollutants which she says is their breeding ground, for example
> >isopropyl alcohol encourages fluke worms. She's never seen a cancer case
> >without these fluke worms. Maybe the reason that nobody sees them is that
> >they change their form into something tiny or looks like something else.
>
> Carole, doctors do find these parasites. But there isn't even a
> correlation between cancer and these parasites. There is however a
> correlation between geography and these parasites. They exist in
> certain areas and they do not exist in others. And there is no
> difference in the prevelance of cancer between these areas. That tells
> us that Clark is talking nonsense.
>
> >Hulda has quite a few books - seehttp://www.drclark.com/
>
> >The cure for all diseases
> >The cure for all cancers
> >The cure for all advanced cancers
> >The cure for HIV and AIDS
>
> Why weren't the last 3 cures already in the first? Was Hulda lying
> when she called the first book the cure for *all*  diseases? (hint for
> Carole: *all* disease includes cancer, advanced cancer and AIDS. HIV
> isn't a disease btw).
>
> >Book "Syncrometer Science Laboratory Manual"
> >Book "The Prevention of all Cancers
> >Book "The Tooth Truth"
>
> >As well as her books there are -- videos, detox products, vitamins, zappers
> >etc.
> >And on another part of the website there is a page soliciting donations --
> >why?
>
> Yes, why? Why wouldn't anyone who can cure all disease with no more
> than a zap be richer than Bill Gates?
> BTW, I think there is a movie out about the zapper, at least the title
> suggests so:http://imdb.com/title/tt0084945/
>
>
>
> >> And how about this: first she published this book which supposedly
> >> contains the cure for *all* diseases, then she published a book with
> >> the cure for cancer. That should have been in the first book, since
> >> it's the cure for *all* disease. Something doesn't add up here Carole.
>
> >Carole
> >www.cellsalts.net
> >www.conspiracee.com- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Martin:

I am curious about who you are, who you work for, why you are here,
and why you hide behind a fake email address.

Can you enlighten us? You sound strangely bitter and angry, and I am
aware that there are some countries. like Holland for instance, that
allow their prisoners, and patients in psychiatric facilities, to use
computers at certain times. Are you one of those? If so, could you
tell us why you are confined there?

Curious in California...

Tim Bolen

From: Peter Moran on
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "Peter Moran" <pmoran(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
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>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Martin" <idontwantno(a)spam> wrote in message
>>> news:e0lkn35p87rql3v1vg219g8sgv9edbe14j(a)4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:20:48 +1100, "Carole" <hubbca(a)iimetro.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Some good Hulda Clark links at
>>>>>http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/HuldaClark/index.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>Including a link to one of her earlier books, 'The Cure for all
>>>>>Diseases'
>>>>>which is online in pdf format.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm going to have a read and find out just what she is all about.
>>>>>
>>>>>Carole
>>>>>www.cellsalts.net
>>>>
>>>> Carole, why would you waste even one minute reading any of her stuff,
>>>> other than out of morbid curiosity, since she can not produce even one
>>>> person her 'Cure' has cured? Don't you have a life?
>>>> And how about this: first she published this book which supposedly
>>>> contains the cure for *all* diseases, then she published a book with
>>>> the cure for cancer. That should have been in the first book, since
>>>> it's the cure for *all* disease. Something doesn't add up here Carole.
>>>
>>> http://www.bestzapper.com/who_is_dr_clark.html
>>
>> Jan, don't you dare promote these people!! Arthur Doerksen claims to
>> have cured himself of cancer TWICE, but he is an entirely untrustworthy
>> person who now sells Zappers and other quack material.
>
> My word, looks like I struck a nerve. Settle down, Peter. Auther did not
> claim to cure
> himself. For someone who sees no coverups and thinks it is A OK to file
> deliberate, repeated reports
> and violations, you are one to speak of untrustworthy. The doc who KILLED
> remains on staff.
> Now...there is a low down dirty quack.
>
> Auther and his wife are very devoted Christian people. They have the
> right to sell anything they like.
> Especially, what they KNOW works!
>
>>
>> I use his testimonials In "How to Read a Cancer Testimonial
>> http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/how_to_read_a_testimonial.htm to
>> show how unreliable many really are (see below) .
>>
>> These people were also involved with and encouraging the poor soul whose
>> awful lip cancer photos appear on the same web page. That man used
>> Hulda's methods and treatment for the Doerksons including Zappers until
>> he realized they didn't work. Hulda must have treated many patients
>> with photos of the cancer like this. Why can't she show them responding
>> to her treatment? Why, for that matter are you STILL unable to accept
>> that (at least) her cancer claims are quackery?
>
> This is a repeated lie. I have proven previously.
> I thought you said you had read her books? Evidently, not.
> Where are your books, Peter and your own photos?
>>
>> To make matters worse, the Doerksens think they are good Christians.
>
> Indeed they are.
>
> We committed my health into God's hands in prayer, and I began taking ten
> grams of Vitamin C a day (as sodium ascorbate, recommended by Linus
> Pauling). Lyn moved us to a diet of foods "as close as possible to the
> hand of God", free of sugar, processing and preservatives. We also tried
> herbal teas (Essiac and taheebo) and anti-oxidants: vitamins A (beta
> carotene), E, selenium and zinc. At Christmas, 1989, I had an excision
> about two inches in diameter at the original site to clear up some things
> Lyn did not like. The pathology showed melanoma, but the margins were
> clear. Nothing came back after that.
>
>
> Meditation, reading the Bible and prayer - � to 1 hour per day, usually
> first thing in the morning while zapping (see picture). We cannot live on
> bread alone.
>
>>
>> Quote---
>> From the web site http://bestzapper.com/testmony.htm --
>>
>>
>>
>> "I first noticed the tumor in my left breast in April 1994 when I felt a
>> sharp pain when I got a hug. I assumed it was a bruise, but it did not go
>> away. My wife Lyn checked it and found a small lump directly behind the
>> nipple. It grew in size and discomfort for seven months till it was about
>> 1.25 inches across and 0.25 inches thick, and was starting to head toward
>> my armpit. I was still taking eight grams of vitamin C daily with the
>> other anti-oxidants. Then in November 1994, we got Dr. Hulda Regehr
>> Clark's first book, The Cure for All Cancers. In the book she gives her
>> theory that cancer is caused by a common parasite, the human intestinal
>> fluke (fasciolopsis buskii), "catalyzed" by isopropyl alcohol accumulated
>> in the liver.
>>
>> On November 23, 1994, I began the herbal parasite program. Lyn went
>> through the house clearing out all isopropyl-tainted soaps, shampoos,
>> foods, body products, cleaners and other solvents. She put four cardboard
>> boxes of the stuff outside under our deck. After five days on the
>> parasite herbs I noticed that the pain reduced greatly. Dr. Clark says
>> the parasites die on the fifth day with the herbs. After two weeks Lyn
>> could feel a noticeable decrease in the size of the tumor, and after
>> three months the tumor was gone! "
>>
> And STILL is!
>>
>>
>> My comments -- This is an absolutely typical story for gynaecomastia, a
>> common (but rarely discussed for obvious reasons) benign condition of the
>> male breast. It mostly resolves spontaneously after some months. . It
>> is commonly due to medications and in this instance could have been due
>> to one of the alternative products he was taking.
>
> Quite a twist there. It is commonly due to medications.
>>
>> Women also often provide testimonials of presumed "breast cancers"
>> going away with alternative treatments. Yet at least nine out of ten
>> female breast lumps are benign (i.e. not cancer), and even suspicious
>> breast lumps coming to biopsy prove to be mostly benign. They are
>> usually due to variants of hormonally dependent fibrocystic disease and
>> many will go away by themselves after a few menstrual cycles.
>
> Oh, but mammograms bring in the big bucks, even though they are not
> supported by current data.
>
> Which reminds me of a certain lie told here. *No lump, lump head.*
>>
>>
>> It is difficult to think of any situation where a testimonial lacking a
>> biopsy diagnosis of cancer is worthy of notice, although metastatic
>> cancer can often be confidently diagnosed by typical appearances on
>> imaging (scans, x-rays) and marker studies.
>
> Say what?!?!
>
> Quote:
>
> My mother's family history was rife with cancer: she had five different
> types of cancer on five different occasions. Before she was married she
> lost her right leg to sarcoma in the knee. Her mother and most of her
> siblings died early of cancer. On the other side, my father's father was
> the first recorded victim of pancreatic cancer in the province of
> Manitoba. I thought I definitely had the "cancer genes" or predisposition
> to this dread disease.
>
> My first cancer developed from a mole on my left shoulder. It had been a
> bit red, but not alarmingly so. I had had many moles taken off before,
> just to be safe, but none had tested malignant. When I bumped this one on
> a machine I was repairing, it bled profusely. I went straight to the
> doctor to have it excised. He took it off routinely, but found it was a
> very aggressive malignant melanoma, Clark's level 3. I went to a surgeon
> who recommended a five-inch circular full depth excision and dissection of
> the lymph nodes under my left arm, followed by radiation and chemo. When I
> rejected his "cut, burn and poison," he put enormous pressure on my wife,
> Lyn, to persuade me.
>
> We instead contacted the Cancer Control Society, and began intensive
> research on alternative cancer therapies. Though I had been well versed in
> medical technology and pharmacology, a cursory survey of the effectiveness
> of conventional treatments showed that "modern medical science" was losing
> the war on cancer at an alarming rate (see the details: click here). An
> alternative was needed, and we chose to build up my immune system rather
> than let the surgeon attack it.
>
> I tested free of malignancy, but had high mercury levels from tooth
> fillings. Lyn and I have since had all the metal removed from our mouths
> and replaced with a composite called Helio-Molar from IvoClar. Later we
> found out that Helio-Molar leaks fluoride, by design! I now would insist
> on Diamondcrown material from Biodent as my first choice, or Z100
> composite from 3M.
>>
>> The author of the above testimonial claims to have cured himself of
>> incurable cancer twice.
>
> **I WAS HEALED OF CANCER**
>
>
> The other instance was a level lll melanoma,
>> removed from his shoulder in 1987. Level lll means that the melanoma
>> has not yet gone through the full thickness of the skin or even into the
>> reticular dermis, the thickest layer of the skin. It does not mean an
>> advanced cancer, and no other spread is described. . Simple excision
>> will be curative in the vast majority of such cases. The graph at
>> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm
>> shows that the 15 year survival rate of Stage l melanoma, as this was,
>> is in the vicinity of 75-80%) . The surgeon seems to have offered him
>> unnecessarily aggressive treatment if this story is true in all other
>> respects.
>>
>> PM
>>
>>
> Oh, I know all about how some surgeons offer unnecessary aggressive
> treatment.
> So does Auther, that's why he was not fooled.
>
> I also know Dr Hulda Clark PERSONALLY! and Dr Schaffer.
>
> Instead he is alive and well, thanks to his own research, Dr Hulda Clark
> and mostly God.
>
> Unlike Jessi who is dead because of the LIES, vested interest,
> cover-ups, and ALL the wrong doings by Dr Wilson.
>
> You don't have that on your quackery website, do you, Peter? Why?
>
> Furthermore, you don't know me very well. Those who do never, ever *dare*
> me.
> They know why.
>
> Now...run along and quack somewhere else. It does NOT work with me NEVER
> has and NEVER will.

Jan these people are obvious quacks, exploiting seriously ill people and you
should at least accpet that you do not have the expertise to know.
Doerskson should NOT be claiming he cured himself of incurable cancer
becasue on one of the occasions he almost certainly did not have cancer and
on the other he had a kind of cancer that can be cured in most cases by the
simple surgery that he had.

That you are unable to see this does not change the facts. You are also
not an independent and unbiased person. Admitting that Hulda is a quack
means that you yourself have been misled and your intepretation of your own
medical history can be understoof in other ways.

PM


>>
>>
>


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"Peter Moran" <pmoran(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
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> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Peter Moran" <pmoran(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Martin" <idontwantno(a)spam> wrote in message
>>>> news:e0lkn35p87rql3v1vg219g8sgv9edbe14j(a)4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:20:48 +1100, "Carole" <hubbca(a)iimetro.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Some good Hulda Clark links at
>>>>>>http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/HuldaClark/index.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Including a link to one of her earlier books, 'The Cure for all
>>>>>>Diseases'
>>>>>>which is online in pdf format.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm going to have a read and find out just what she is all about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Carole
>>>>>>www.cellsalts.net
>>>>>
>>>>> Carole, why would you waste even one minute reading any of her stuff,
>>>>> other than out of morbid curiosity, since she can not produce even one
>>>>> person her 'Cure' has cured? Don't you have a life?
>>>>> And how about this: first she published this book which supposedly
>>>>> contains the cure for *all* diseases, then she published a book with
>>>>> the cure for cancer. That should have been in the first book, since
>>>>> it's the cure for *all* disease. Something doesn't add up here Carole.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bestzapper.com/who_is_dr_clark.html
>>>
>>> Jan, don't you dare promote these people!! Arthur Doerksen claims to
>>> have cured himself of cancer TWICE, but he is an entirely untrustworthy
>>> person who now sells Zappers and other quack material.
>>
>> My word, looks like I struck a nerve. Settle down, Peter. Auther did
>> not claim to cure
>> himself. For someone who sees no coverups and thinks it is A OK to file
>> deliberate, repeated reports
>> and violations, you are one to speak of untrustworthy. The doc who
>> KILLED remains on staff.
>> Now...there is a low down dirty quack.
>>
>> Auther and his wife are very devoted Christian people. They have the
>> right to sell anything they like.
>> Especially, what they KNOW works!
>>
>>>
>>> I use his testimonials In "How to Read a Cancer Testimonial
>>> http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/how_to_read_a_testimonial.htm to
>>> show how unreliable many really are (see below) .
>>>
>>> These people were also involved with and encouraging the poor soul whose
>>> awful lip cancer photos appear on the same web page. That man used
>>> Hulda's methods and treatment for the Doerksons including Zappers until
>>> he realized they didn't work. Hulda must have treated many patients
>>> with photos of the cancer like this. Why can't she show them responding
>>> to her treatment? Why, for that matter are you STILL unable to accept
>>> that (at least) her cancer claims are quackery?
>>
>> This is a repeated lie. I have proven previously.
>> I thought you said you had read her books? Evidently, not.
>> Where are your books, Peter and your own photos?
>>>
>>> To make matters worse, the Doerksens think they are good Christians.
>>
>> Indeed they are.
>>
>> We committed my health into God's hands in prayer, and I began taking ten
>> grams of Vitamin C a day (as sodium ascorbate, recommended by Linus
>> Pauling). Lyn moved us to a diet of foods "as close as possible to the
>> hand of God", free of sugar, processing and preservatives. We also tried
>> herbal teas (Essiac and taheebo) and anti-oxidants: vitamins A (beta
>> carotene), E, selenium and zinc. At Christmas, 1989, I had an excision
>> about two inches in diameter at the original site to clear up some things
>> Lyn did not like. The pathology showed melanoma, but the margins were
>> clear. Nothing came back after that.
>>
>>
>> Meditation, reading the Bible and prayer - � to 1 hour per day, usually
>> first thing in the morning while zapping (see picture). We cannot live on
>> bread alone.
>>
>>>
>>> Quote---
>>> From the web site http://bestzapper.com/testmony.htm --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "I first noticed the tumor in my left breast in April 1994 when I felt a
>>> sharp pain when I got a hug. I assumed it was a bruise, but it did not
>>> go away. My wife Lyn checked it and found a small lump directly behind
>>> the nipple. It grew in size and discomfort for seven months till it was
>>> about 1.25 inches across and 0.25 inches thick, and was starting to head
>>> toward my armpit. I was still taking eight grams of vitamin C daily with
>>> the other anti-oxidants. Then in November 1994, we got Dr. Hulda Regehr
>>> Clark's first book, The Cure for All Cancers. In the book she gives her
>>> theory that cancer is caused by a common parasite, the human intestinal
>>> fluke (fasciolopsis buskii), "catalyzed" by isopropyl alcohol
>>> accumulated in the liver.
>>>
>>> On November 23, 1994, I began the herbal parasite program. Lyn went
>>> through the house clearing out all isopropyl-tainted soaps, shampoos,
>>> foods, body products, cleaners and other solvents. She put four
>>> cardboard boxes of the stuff outside under our deck. After five days on
>>> the parasite herbs I noticed that the pain reduced greatly. Dr. Clark
>>> says the parasites die on the fifth day with the herbs. After two weeks
>>> Lyn could feel a noticeable decrease in the size of the tumor, and after
>>> three months the tumor was gone! "
>>>
>> And STILL is!
>>>
>>>
>>> My comments -- This is an absolutely typical story for gynaecomastia, a
>>> common (but rarely discussed for obvious reasons) benign condition of
>>> the male breast. It mostly resolves spontaneously after some months. .
>>> It is commonly due to medications and in this instance could have been
>>> due to one of the alternative products he was taking.
>>
>> Quite a twist there. It is commonly due to medications.
>>>
>>> Women also often provide testimonials of presumed "breast cancers"
>>> going away with alternative treatments. Yet at least nine out of ten
>>> female breast lumps are benign (i.e. not cancer), and even suspicious
>>> breast lumps coming to biopsy prove to be mostly benign. They are
>>> usually due to variants of hormonally dependent fibrocystic disease and
>>> many will go away by themselves after a few menstrual cycles.
>>
>> Oh, but mammograms bring in the big bucks, even though they are not
>> supported by current data.
>>
>> Which reminds me of a certain lie told here. *No lump, lump head.*
>>>
>>>
>>> It is difficult to think of any situation where a testimonial lacking a
>>> biopsy diagnosis of cancer is worthy of notice, although metastatic
>>> cancer can often be confidently diagnosed by typical appearances on
>>> imaging (scans, x-rays) and marker studies.
>>
>> Say what?!?!
>>
>> Quote:
>>
>> My mother's family history was rife with cancer: she had five different
>> types of cancer on five different occasions. Before she was married she
>> lost her right leg to sarcoma in the knee. Her mother and most of her
>> siblings died early of cancer. On the other side, my father's father was
>> the first recorded victim of pancreatic cancer in the province of
>> Manitoba. I thought I definitely had the "cancer genes" or predisposition
>> to this dread disease.
>>
>> My first cancer developed from a mole on my left shoulder. It had been a
>> bit red, but not alarmingly so. I had had many moles taken off before,
>> just to be safe, but none had tested malignant. When I bumped this one on
>> a machine I was repairing, it bled profusely. I went straight to the
>> doctor to have it excised. He took it off routinely, but found it was a
>> very aggressive malignant melanoma, Clark's level 3. I went to a surgeon
>> who recommended a five-inch circular full depth excision and dissection
>> of the lymph nodes under my left arm, followed by radiation and chemo.
>> When I rejected his "cut, burn and poison," he put enormous pressure on
>> my wife, Lyn, to persuade me.
>>
>> We instead contacted the Cancer Control Society, and began intensive
>> research on alternative cancer therapies. Though I had been well versed
>> in medical technology and pharmacology, a cursory survey of the
>> effectiveness of conventional treatments showed that "modern medical
>> science" was losing the war on cancer at an alarming rate (see the
>> details: click here). An alternative was needed, and we chose to build up
>> my immune system rather than let the surgeon attack it.
>>
>> I tested free of malignancy, but had high mercury levels from tooth
>> fillings. Lyn and I have since had all the metal removed from our mouths
>> and replaced with a composite called Helio-Molar from IvoClar. Later we
>> found out that Helio-Molar leaks fluoride, by design! I now would insist
>> on Diamondcrown material from Biodent as my first choice, or Z100
>> composite from 3M.
>>>
>>> The author of the above testimonial claims to have cured himself of
>>> incurable cancer twice.
>>
>> **I WAS HEALED OF CANCER**
>>
>>
>> The other instance was a level lll melanoma,
>>> removed from his shoulder in 1987. Level lll means that the melanoma
>>> has not yet gone through the full thickness of the skin or even into the
>>> reticular dermis, the thickest layer of the skin. It does not mean an
>>> advanced cancer, and no other spread is described. . Simple excision
>>> will be curative in the vast majority of such cases. The graph at
>>> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm
>>> shows that the 15 year survival rate of Stage l melanoma, as this was,
>>> is in the vicinity of 75-80%) . The surgeon seems to have offered him
>>> unnecessarily aggressive treatment if this story is true in all other
>>> respects.
>>>
>>> PM
>>>
>>>
>> Oh, I know all about how some surgeons offer unnecessary aggressive
>> treatment.
>> So does Auther, that's why he was not fooled.
>>
>> I also know Dr Hulda Clark PERSONALLY! and Dr Schaffer.
>>
>> Instead he is alive and well, thanks to his own research, Dr Hulda Clark
>> and mostly God.
>>
>> Unlike Jessi who is dead because of the LIES, vested interest,
>> cover-ups, and ALL the wrong doings by Dr Wilson.
>>
>> You don't have that on your quackery website, do you, Peter? Why?
>>
>> Furthermore, you don't know me very well. Those who do never, ever
>> *dare* me.
>> They know why.
>>
>> Now...run along and quack somewhere else. It does NOT work with me NEVER
>> has and NEVER will.
>
> Jan these people are obvious quacks, exploiting seriously ill people and
> you should at least accpet that you do not have the expertise to know.
> Doerskson should NOT be claiming he cured himself of incurable cancer
> becasue on one of the occasions he almost certainly did not have cancer
> and on the other he had a kind of cancer that can be cured in most cases
> by the simple surgery that he had.
>
> That you are unable to see this does not change the facts. You are also
> not an independent and unbiased person. Admitting that Hulda is a quack
> means that you yourself have been misled and your intepretation of your
> own medical history can be understoof in other ways.
>
> PM
>
Yeah, if only I understoof.

LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>