From: Martin on
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:03:23 GMT, Peter Bowditch
<myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote:

>jurimed2(a)yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>On Jan 1, 6:58�am, Martin <idontwantno(a)spam> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:20:48 +1100, "Carole" <hub...(a)iimetro.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Some good Hulda Clark links at
>>> >http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/HuldaClark/index.htm
>>>
>>> >Including a link to one of her earlier books, 'The Cure for all Diseases'
>>> >which is online in pdf format.
>>>
>>> >I'm going to have a read and find out just what she is all about.
>>>
>>> >Carole
>>> >www.cellsalts.net
>>>
>>> Carole, why would you waste even one minute reading any of her stuff,
>>> other than out of morbid curiosity, since she can not produce even one
>>> person her 'Cure' has cured? Don't you have a life?
>>> And how about this: first she published this book which supposedly
>>> contains the cure for *all* diseases, then she published a book with
>>> the cure for cancer. That should have been in the first book, since
>>> it's the cure for *all* disease. Something doesn't add up here Carole.
>>
>>Martin (poor peter)
>
>Is that a suggestion that Martin is me or vice versa?

Maybe he means I'm a poor man's version of you?

>What is this obsession quacks and their supporters have with
>conflating people who point out the idiocy and venality of charlatans?
>Is it a way to convince themselves that the number of people who
>disagree with them is less than it really is?
>
>>
>>Clark made a "video" called "The Cure." Since you are in to videos,
>>maybe that would help you "get it."
>
>My daughter has a CD by The Cure. It is just as useful as a guide to
>treatment of disease as anything by charlatan Clark.

Wouldn't The Cure be one of Tim's favorite bands? I'm thinking of 'A
Forest' : '.... lost in the forest, all alone..... '. That song must
appeal to him, don't you think?

>I notice that you haven't addressed the problem of Clark claiming to
>have the cure for ALL diseases and then needing to write books about
>specific diseases. Was she lying when she said she had "The Cure for
>All Disease"?
>
>>
>>Amused in California...
>>
>>Tim Bolen

From: Jan Drew on

"Martin" <idontwantno(a)spam> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:20:48 +1100, "Carole" <hubbca(a)iimetro.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>Some good Hulda Clark links at
>>http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/HuldaClark/index.htm
>>
>>Including a link to one of her earlier books, 'The Cure for all Diseases'
>>which is online in pdf format.
>>
>>I'm going to have a read and find out just what she is all about.
>>
>>Carole
>>www.cellsalts.net
>
> Carole, why would you waste even one minute reading any of her stuff,
> other than out of morbid curiosity, since she can not produce even one
> person her 'Cure' has cured? Don't you have a life?
> And how about this: first she published this book which supposedly
> contains the cure for *all* diseases, then she published a book with
> the cure for cancer. That should have been in the first book, since
> it's the cure for *all* disease. Something doesn't add up here Carole.

http://www.bestzapper.com/who_is_dr_clark.html

From: Jan Drew on

"Debbee" <Butterflies2222(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 1, 6:58 am, Martin <idontwantno(a)spam> wrote:

>>Something doesn't add up here Carole.

Then quit using your fingers, and get a calculation, Martin!! LOL

ROTFLOL. Good one, Debbee.

Kind of like what doesn't seem to add up on the Quackwatch pages.....I
tried
a calculation on that site, and couldn't get the information to add up
there either...
hmmm...must be an epidemic!


From: Peter Moran on
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Martin" <idontwantno(a)spam> wrote in message
> news:e0lkn35p87rql3v1vg219g8sgv9edbe14j(a)4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:20:48 +1100, "Carole" <hubbca(a)iimetro.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Some good Hulda Clark links at
>>>http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/HuldaClark/index.htm
>>>
>>>Including a link to one of her earlier books, 'The Cure for all Diseases'
>>>which is online in pdf format.
>>>
>>>I'm going to have a read and find out just what she is all about.
>>>
>>>Carole
>>>www.cellsalts.net
>>
>> Carole, why would you waste even one minute reading any of her stuff,
>> other than out of morbid curiosity, since she can not produce even one
>> person her 'Cure' has cured? Don't you have a life?
>> And how about this: first she published this book which supposedly
>> contains the cure for *all* diseases, then she published a book with
>> the cure for cancer. That should have been in the first book, since
>> it's the cure for *all* disease. Something doesn't add up here Carole.
>
> http://www.bestzapper.com/who_is_dr_clark.html

Jan, don't you dare promote these people!! Arthur Doerksen claims to
have cured himself of cancer TWICE, but he is an entirely untrustworthy
person who now sells Zappers and other quack material.

I use his testimonials In "How to Read a Cancer Testimonial
http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/how_to_read_a_testimonial.htm to
show how unreliable many really are (see below) .

These people were also involved with and encouraging the poor soul whose
awful lip cancer photos appear on the same web page. That man used Hulda's
methods and treatment for the Doerksons including Zappers until he realized
they didn't work. Hulda must have treated many patients with photos of
the cancer like this. Why can't she show them responding to her treatment?
Why, for that matter are you STILL unable to accept that (at least) her
cancer claims are quackery?

To make matters worse, the Doerksens think they are good Christians.

Quote---
From the web site http://bestzapper.com/testmony.htm --



"I first noticed the tumor in my left breast in April 1994 when I felt a
sharp pain when I got a hug. I assumed it was a bruise, but it did not go
away. My wife Lyn checked it and found a small lump directly behind the
nipple. It grew in size and discomfort for seven months till it was about
1.25 inches across and 0.25 inches thick, and was starting to head toward my
armpit. I was still taking eight grams of vitamin C daily with the other
anti-oxidants. Then in November 1994, we got Dr. Hulda Regehr Clark's first
book, The Cure for All Cancers. In the book she gives her theory that cancer
is caused by a common parasite, the human intestinal fluke (fasciolopsis
buskii), "catalyzed" by isopropyl alcohol accumulated in the liver.

On November 23, 1994, I began the herbal parasite program. Lyn went through
the house clearing out all isopropyl-tainted soaps, shampoos, foods, body
products, cleaners and other solvents. She put four cardboard boxes of the
stuff outside under our deck. After five days on the parasite herbs I
noticed that the pain reduced greatly. Dr. Clark says the parasites die on
the fifth day with the herbs. After two weeks Lyn could feel a noticeable
decrease in the size of the tumor, and after three months the tumor was
gone! "




My comments -- This is an absolutely typical story for gynaecomastia, a
common (but rarely discussed for obvious reasons) benign condition of the
male breast. It mostly resolves spontaneously after some months. . It is
commonly due to medications and in this instance could have been due to one
of the alternative products he was taking.

Women also often provide testimonials of presumed "breast cancers" going
away with alternative treatments. Yet at least nine out of ten female
breast lumps are benign (i.e. not cancer), and even suspicious breast lumps
coming to biopsy prove to be mostly benign. They are usually due to
variants of hormonally dependent fibrocystic disease and many will go away
by themselves after a few menstrual cycles.


It is difficult to think of any situation where a testimonial lacking a
biopsy diagnosis of cancer is worthy of notice, although metastatic cancer
can often be confidently diagnosed by typical appearances on imaging (scans,
x-rays) and marker studies.

The author of the above testimonial claims to have cured himself of
incurable cancer twice. The other instance was a level lll melanoma,
removed from his shoulder in 1987. Level lll means that the melanoma has
not yet gone through the full thickness of the skin or even into the
reticular dermis, the thickest layer of the skin. It does not mean an
advanced cancer, and no other spread is described. . Simple excision will
be curative in the vast majority of such cases. The graph at
http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm
shows that the 15 year survival rate of Stage l melanoma, as this was, is
in the vicinity of 75-80%) . The surgeon seems to have offered him
unnecessarily aggressive treatment if this story is true in all other
respects.

PM

www.cancerwatcher.com



From: Martin on
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:03:13 +1100, "Carole" <hubbca(a)iimetro.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"Martin" <idontwantno(a)spam> wrote in message
>news:e0lkn35p87rql3v1vg219g8sgv9edbe14j(a)4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:20:48 +1100, "Carole" <hubbca(a)iimetro.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Some good Hulda Clark links at
>> >http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/HuldaClark/index.htm
>> >
>> >Including a link to one of her earlier books, 'The Cure for all Diseases'
>> >which is online in pdf format.
>> >
>> >I'm going to have a read and find out just what she is all about.
>> >
>> >Carole
>> >www.cellsalts.net
>>
>> Carole, why would you waste even one minute reading any of her stuff,
>> other than out of morbid curiosity, since she can not produce even one
>> person her 'Cure' has cured? Don't you have a life?
>
>I see what you mean about her methods. If I was her, and trying to sell an
>unconventional theory such as fluke worms, I would go into more detail to
>explain why people had never seen them before and how researchers had missed
>them.

If *I* was her, I'd show some people to the world who I had cured of
cancer. Only then would I go into the methods. Who cares about methods
if you can't show there any effect that needs explaining?
Of course, the fact that there are no such people speaks volumes. At
least to me. Apparently, it does not bother you at all.

>She says these parasites exist because their frequency shows up with the
>zapper -- maybe. (I need to think about it a bit more.)

So basically she says that she knows the parasites were there because
her zapper made them go away. Pretty convenient, don't you think?

>She gives a fair few areas where she zaps parasites and then advises on
>avoiding pollutants which she says is their breeding ground, for example
>isopropyl alcohol encourages fluke worms. She's never seen a cancer case
>without these fluke worms. Maybe the reason that nobody sees them is that
>they change their form into something tiny or looks like something else.

Carole, doctors do find these parasites. But there isn't even a
correlation between cancer and these parasites. There is however a
correlation between geography and these parasites. They exist in
certain areas and they do not exist in others. And there is no
difference in the prevelance of cancer between these areas. That tells
us that Clark is talking nonsense.

>Hulda has quite a few books - see http://www.drclark.com/
>
>The cure for all diseases
>The cure for all cancers
>The cure for all advanced cancers
>The cure for HIV and AIDS

Why weren't the last 3 cures already in the first? Was Hulda lying
when she called the first book the cure for *all* diseases? (hint for
Carole: *all* disease includes cancer, advanced cancer and AIDS. HIV
isn't a disease btw).

>Book "Syncrometer Science Laboratory Manual"
>Book "The Prevention of all Cancers
>Book "The Tooth Truth"
>
>As well as her books there are -- videos, detox products, vitamins, zappers
>etc.
>And on another part of the website there is a page soliciting donations --
>why?

Yes, why? Why wouldn't anyone who can cure all disease with no more
than a zap be richer than Bill Gates?
BTW, I think there is a movie out about the zapper, at least the title
suggests so:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0084945/

>> And how about this: first she published this book which supposedly
>> contains the cure for *all* diseases, then she published a book with
>> the cure for cancer. That should have been in the first book, since
>> it's the cure for *all* disease. Something doesn't add up here Carole.
>
>Carole
>www.cellsalts.net
>www.conspiracee.com