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From: dh on 4 May 2008 20:11
On Sun, 04 May 2008, Goo again advocated acceptance of the misnomer:

>dh asked:
>
>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:25:18 -0700, "dustbird" <dustbird(a)cross.wind> wrote:
>>
>>> A diet of meat is the source of animal abuse and animal slaughter by
>>> callous commercial enterprises. The mass slaughter of cows, chickens, and
>>> hogs is hideous and revolting.
>>
>> How about the mass experiencing of life by billions of animals who
>> only live because they are raised by humans?
>
>Not worthy of any consideration. It is not a "good thing" that the
>animals "get to experience life". It is meaningless. If humans all
>decided to stop eating meat, and no more livestock animals ever "get to
>experience life", there is no moral loss; there is nothing worth
>considering.

� Since the animals we raise for food would not be alive
if we didn't raise them for that purpose, it's a distortion of
reality not to take that fact into consideration whenever
we think about the fact that the animals are going to be
killed. The animals are not being cheated out of any part
of their life by being raised for food, but instead they are
experiencing whatever life they get as a result of it. �
From: dh on 6 May 2008 19:49
On Mon, 05 May 2008, Goo claimed:

>life is not a "benefit".

� Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
What they try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
in order to be successful:

Tires, Paper, Upholstery, Floor waxes, Glass, Water
Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer, Antifreeze, Ceramics, Insecticides,
Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic, Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen,
Heparin, Insulin, Solvents, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides,
Gelatin Capsules, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products,
Plywood, Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane
Wrap and Tape, Abrasives, Steel Ball Bearings

The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
being vegan.
From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. �
From: pearl on 7 May 2008 10:31
<dh@.> wrote in message news:5kr1245uugeocjd0is3m11vrj11t397gl9(a)4ax.com...

> From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised steer

Global Perspective -> http://tinyurl.com/5a73z5


From: pearl on 7 May 2008 12:33
"Rudy Canoza" <pipes(a)thedismalscience.not> wrote in message news:9eidneppCZtEIrzVnZ2dnUVZ_r_inZ2d(a)earthlink.com...
> pearl wrote:
> > <dh@.> wrote in message news:5kr1245uugeocjd0is3m11vrj11t397gl9(a)4ax.com...
> >
> >> From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised steer
> >
> > Global Perspective -> http://tinyurl.com/5a73z5
>
> "Waste of the west" is a waste of electrons. It's bullshit pseudoscience.

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