From: Mark Probert on
On Feb 24, 10:43 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 9:55 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > In this post:
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> > Message from discussion Why Vaccines May Be Bad
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> > From: Jan Drew <jdrew63...(a)aol.com>
> > Newsgroups:
> > sci.med,sci.med.nursing,sci.med.pharmacy,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.­ health
> > Subject: Re: Why Vaccines May Be Bad
> > Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:47:24 -0800 (PST)
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> Completely wrong, never have used giganews.com
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> Don't use any of that either,  So much for Mark S Probert's
> investigations skills.
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>
>
> > On Feb 21, 1:17=EF=BF=BDpm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> > > Enough said.
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> > More than enough since you are not a doctor, but continue to lie.
>
> > For a real M.D. See:
>
> >http://www.millerfamilymedicine.com/
> > -------End Quote_____
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> > Jan endorses Dr. Miller.
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> > I visited his website and can see that he is a hard working member of
> > the medical profession.
>
> You finally got something right.
>
But, Stupid, he is a member of *Organized Medicine*. After reading his
website, there is no question in my mind that he is.

You selectively support members of *Organized Medicine* if they are
also Christian. That is a form of bigotry.

> > I also found links which resulted in these:
>
> > "With proper hygiene and proper precautions, in addition to numerous
> > vaccines and rapidly advancing medical technology, people are better
> > equipped than ever to avoid getting sick."
>
> > and
>
> >http://www.ecommunity.com/health/index.aspx?pageid=P02523
>
> > "The importance of immunizations:
> > Immunization is key to preventing disease among the general
> > population. Vaccines benefit both the people who receive them, and the
> > vulnerable, unvaccinated people around them, because the infection can
> > no longer spread. In addition, immunizations reduce the number of
> > deaths and disability from infections, such as whooping cough and
> > chickenpox.
>
> > Although children receive the majority of the vaccinations, adults
> > also need to stay up-to-date on certain vaccinations, including
> > tetanus and diphtheria. In addition, those adults who have never had
> > chickenpox or measles during childhood (nor the vaccines against these
> > specific diseases) should consider being vaccinated. Childhood
> > illnesses such as mumps, measles, and chickenpox can cause serious
> > complications in adults.
>
> > About guidelines for childhood immunizations:
> > Many childhood diseases can now be prevented by following recommended
> > guidelines for vaccinations:
>
> > Meningococcal vaccine - to protect against meningococcal disease.
> > Hip B - to protect against hepatitis B.
> > Polio vaccine - to protect against polio.
> > DTaP and Tdap - to protect against diphtheria, tetanus (lockjaw), and
> > pertussis (whooping cough).
> > Hib vaccine - to protect against Haemophilus influenzae type b (which
> > causes spinal meningitis).
> > MMR - to protect against measles, mumps and rubella (German measles).
> > Pneumococcal vaccine - to protect against pneumonia, infection in the
> > blood, and meningitis.
> > Varicella - to protect against chickenpox.
> > RotaTeq - to prevent rotavirus gastroenteritis in infants.
> > Hep A - to prevent viral infection of the liver.
> > HPV - to protect females from human papillomavirus, which is linked to
> > cervical cancer. "
>
> > and much more.
>
> > Interestingly, Jan's "Real M.D." recommends the RotaTEQ vaccination
> > invented by Dr. Paul Offit.
>
> > I surely do wonder what Dr. Miller, who sounds like a really wonderful
> > doctor, would say about Jan's incessent trashing of vaccinations and
> > Dr. Offit?
>
> Keep wondering.  

A simple FEDEX package to him will stop the wondering and start your
healing.

> You might want to stop lying.  I only post there are
> no studies proving vaccination to be safe,  

That is a bald face lie. You post everything that comes along that
cretins like you think show that vaccines are dangerous.

The simple (with you, that is the highest level) fact is that there
exists many studies, etc. that show that vaccines are safe, but you
reject them because 1) they use big words and you do not understand
them and 2) you claim that they are from *Organized Medicine*.

You see I don't fall for
> the lies of the CDC, FDA, or AMA, as they are *organized medicine*
> And the fraud of all four including Offit, plus their vested interest,-

Now, do go and tell Dr. Miller just how you feel. Please do.

From: Mark Probert on
On Feb 24, 10:43 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 9:55 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> > In this post:
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> > ------Begin quote------
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> > Message from discussion Why Vaccines May Be Bad
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> > View parsed - Show only message text
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> > Path: g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!
> > v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
> > From: Jan Drew <jdrew63...(a)aol.com>
> > Newsgroups:
> > sci.med,sci.med.nursing,sci.med.pharmacy,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.­ health
> > Subject: Re: Why Vaccines May Be Bad
> > Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:47:24 -0800 (PST)
> > Organization:http://groups.google.com
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> > <WoWdnVH3NPs25RzWnZ2dnUVZ_u5i4...(a)giganews.com>
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> Completely wrong, never have used giganews.com
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>
> Don't use any of that either,  So much for Mark S Probert's
> investigations skills.
>

The header claims that you accessed GoogleGroups through AOL. So much
for your lack of reading and header comprehension. The NNTP Posting
Host resolves to AOL.
From: Mark Probert on
On Feb 25, 6:41 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> Jan Drew wrote:
> > Keep wondering.  You might want to stop lying.  I only post there are
> > no studies proving vaccination to be safe,  You see I don't fall for
> > the lies of the CDC, FDA, or AMA, as they are *organized medicine*
> > And the fraud of all four including Offit, plus their vested interest,
>
> Every single vaccine that is licensed for use in children is tested in
> clinical trials.
>
> For example, with Rotatec, the new rotavirus vaccine, 68,000 infants
> were in a study that showed that it was safe and effective. If this is
> not a study that shows that the vaccine is safe and effective, please
> explain what kind of study should have been done.

Nice try, Dr. Jeff, but jerks and morons will dismiss the study
because Paul Offit, M.D. was a member of the study team.

>
> Jeff
>
>  From the New England Journal of Medicine:
>
> Safety and Efficacy of a Pentavalent Human–
> Bovine (WC3) Reassortant Rotavirus Vaccine
> Timo Vesikari, M.D., David O. Matson, M.D., Ph.D., Penelope Dennehy, M.D.,
> Pierre Van Damme, M.D., Ph.D., Mathuram Santosham, M.D., M.P.H.,
> Zoe Rodriguez, M.D., Michael J. Dallas, Ph.D., Joseph F. Heyse, Ph.D.,
> Michelle G. Goveia, M.D., M.P.H., Steven B. Black, M.D., Henry R.
> Shinefield, M.D.,
> Celia D.C. Christie, M.D., M.P.H., Samuli Ylitalo, M.D., Robbin F.
> Itzler, Ph.D.,
> Michele L. Coia, B.A., Matthew T. Onorato, B.S., Ben A. Adeyi, M.P.H.,
> Gary S. Marshall, M.D., Leif Gothefors, M.D., Dirk Campens, M.D.,
> Aino Karvonen, M.D., James P. Watt, M.D., M.P.H.,
> Katherine L. O’Brien, M.D., M.P.H., Mark J. DiNubile, M.D., H Fred
> Clark, D.V.M., Ph.D.,
> John W. Boslego, M.D., Paul A. Offit, M.D., and Penny M. Heaton, M.D.,
> for the Rotavirus Efficacy and Safety Trial (REST) Study Team
>
> Background
> Rotavirus is a leading cause of childhood gastroenteritis and death
> worldwide.
>
> Methods
> We studied healthy infants approximately 6 to 12 weeks old who were
> randomly assigned to receive three oral doses of live pentavalent
> human–bovine (WC3 strain) reassortant rotavirus vaccine containing human
> serotypes G1, G2, G3, G4, and P[8] or placebo at 4-to-10-week intervals
> in a blinded fashion. Active surveillance was used to identify subjects
> with serious adverse and other events.
>
> Results
> The 34,035 infants in the vaccine group and 34,003 in the placebo group
> were monitored for serious adverse events. Intussusception occurred in
> 12 vaccine recipients and 15 placebo recipients within one year after
> the first dose including six vaccine recipients and five placebo
> recipients within 42 days after any dose (relative risk, 1.6; 95 percent
> confidence interval, 0.4 to 6.4). The vaccine reduced hospitalizations
> and emergency department visits related to G1–G4 rotavirus
> gastroenteritis occurring 14 or more days after the third dose by 94.5
> percent (95 percent confidence interval, 91.2 to 96.6 percent). In a
> nested substudy, efficacy against any G1–G4 rotavirus gastroenteritis
> through the first full rotavirus season after vaccination was 74.0
> percent (95 percent confidence interval, 66.8 to 79.9 percent); efficacy
> against severe gastroenteritis was 98.0 percent (95 percent confidence
> interval, 88.3 to 100 percent). The vaccine reduced clinic visits for
> G1–G4 rotavirus gastroenteritis by 86.0 percent (95 percent confidence
> interval, 73.9 to 92.5 percent).
>
> Conclusions
> This vaccine was efficacious in preventing rotavirus gastroenteritis,
> decreasing severe disease and health care contacts. The risk of
> intussusception was similar in vaccine and placebo recipients.
> (ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT00090233.)
>
>  From N Engl J Med 2006;354:23-33.

And, in the 3rd world it is saving thousands of lives of children who
would otherwise die of dehydration.

From: Mark Probert on
On Feb 25, 7:55 am, Bob Officer <boboffic...(a)127.0.0.7> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:41:08 -0500, in misc.health.alternative,
>
>
>
>
>
> dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> >Jan Drew wrote:
>
> >> Keep wondering.  You might want to stop lying.  I only post there are
> >> no studies proving vaccination to be safe,  You see I don't fall for
> >> the lies of the CDC, FDA, or AMA, as they are *organized medicine*
> >> And the fraud of all four including Offit, plus their vested interest,
>
> >Every single vaccine that is licensed for use in children is tested in
> >clinical trials.
>
> >For example, with Rotatec, the new rotavirus vaccine, 68,000 infants
> >were in a study that showed that it was safe and effective. If this is
> >not a study that shows that the vaccine is safe and effective, please
> >explain what kind of study should have been done.
>
> >Jeff
>
> > From the New England Journal of Medicine:
>
> >Safety and Efficacy of a Pentavalent Human–
> >Bovine (WC3) Reassortant Rotavirus Vaccine
> >Timo Vesikari, M.D., David O. Matson, M.D., Ph.D., Penelope Dennehy, M.D..,
> >Pierre Van Damme, M.D., Ph.D., Mathuram Santosham, M.D., M.P.H.,
> >Zoe Rodriguez, M.D., Michael J. Dallas, Ph.D., Joseph F. Heyse, Ph.D.,
> >Michelle G. Goveia, M.D., M.P.H., Steven B. Black, M.D., Henry R.
> >Shinefield, M.D.,
> >Celia D.C. Christie, M.D., M.P.H., Samuli Ylitalo, M.D., Robbin F.
> >Itzler, Ph.D.,
> >Michele L. Coia, B.A., Matthew T. Onorato, B.S., Ben A. Adeyi, M.P.H.,
> >Gary S. Marshall, M.D., Leif Gothefors, M.D., Dirk Campens, M.D.,
> >Aino Karvonen, M.D., James P. Watt, M.D., M.P.H.,
> >Katherine L. O’Brien, M.D., M.P.H., Mark J. DiNubile, M.D., H Fred
> >Clark, D.V.M., Ph.D.,
> >John W. Boslego, M.D., Paul A. Offit, M.D., and Penny M. Heaton, M.D.,
> >for the Rotavirus Efficacy and Safety Trial (REST) Study Team
>
> >Background
> >Rotavirus is a leading cause of childhood gastroenteritis and death
> >worldwide.
>
> >Methods
> >We studied healthy infants approximately 6 to 12 weeks old who were
> >randomly assigned to receive three oral doses of live pentavalent
> >human–bovine (WC3 strain) reassortant rotavirus vaccine containing human
> >serotypes G1, G2, G3, G4, and P[8] or placebo at 4-to-10-week intervals
> >in a blinded fashion. Active surveillance was used to identify subjects
> >with serious adverse and other events.
>
> >Results
> >The 34,035 infants in the vaccine group and 34,003 in the placebo group
> >were monitored for serious adverse events. Intussusception occurred in
> >12 vaccine recipients and 15 placebo recipients within one year after
> >the first dose including six vaccine recipients and five placebo
> >recipients within 42 days after any dose (relative risk, 1.6; 95 percent
> >confidence interval, 0.4 to 6.4). The vaccine reduced hospitalizations
> >and emergency department visits related to G1–G4 rotavirus
> >gastroenteritis occurring 14 or more days after the third dose by 94.5
> >percent (95 percent confidence interval, 91.2 to 96.6 percent). In a
> >nested substudy, efficacy against any G1–G4 rotavirus gastroenteritis
> >through the first full rotavirus season after vaccination was 74.0
> >percent (95 percent confidence interval, 66.8 to 79.9 percent); efficacy
> >against severe gastroenteritis was 98.0 percent (95 percent confidence
> >interval, 88.3 to 100 percent). The vaccine reduced clinic visits for
> >G1–G4 rotavirus gastroenteritis by 86.0 percent (95 percent confidence
> >interval, 73.9 to 92.5 percent).
>
> >Conclusions
> >This vaccine was efficacious in preventing rotavirus gastroenteritis,
> >decreasing severe disease and health care contacts. The risk of
> >intussusception was similar in vaccine and placebo recipients.
> >(ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT00090233.)
>
> > From N Engl J Med 2006;354:23-33.
>
> You will have to point out more children in the placebo group had
> adverse (12 vs 15) reactions than the group that got the vaccine.
>
> Thus not getting the vaccine is more harmful than getting the
> vaccine.

Gotta get better placebos.



From: Mark Probert on
On Feb 25, 5:40 pm, Bob Officer <boboffic...(a)127.0.0.7> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:12:46 -0800 (PST), in misc.health.alternative,
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 24, 10:43 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 22, 9:55 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > In this post:
>
> >> > ------Begin quote------
>
> >> > Message from discussion Why Vaccines May Be Bad
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> >> > View parsed - Show only message text
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> >> > Path: g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!
> >> > v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
> >> > From: Jan Drew <jdrew63...(a)aol.com>
> >> > Newsgroups:
> >> > sci.med,sci.med.nursing,sci.med.pharmacy,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.­ health
> >> > Subject: Re: Why Vaccines May Be Bad
> >> > Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:47:24 -0800 (PST)
> >> > Organization:http://groups.google.com
> >> > Lines: 8
> >> > Message-ID: <c4bf5652-
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> >> > <WoWdnVH3NPs25RzWnZ2dnUVZ_u5i4...(a)giganews.com>
>
> >> Completely wrong, never have used giganews.com
>
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> >> > 3.5.30729; .NET CLR
> >> > 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
>
> >> Don't use any of that either, So much for Mark S Probert's
> >> investigations skills.
>
> >The header claims that you accessed GoogleGroups through AOL. So much
> >for your lack of reading and header comprehension. The NNTP Posting
> >Host resolves to AOL.
>
> There is enough information to proceed with AOL and Google.

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