"We know that hospitals are dangerous places if you don't need to be there," Dr. Eliot Fisher, who also led the study, said.
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From: Linda on 7 Apr 2008 14:56 "We know that hospitals are dangerous places if you don't need to be there.." ----Dr. Eliot Fisher Huge Variations in Medicare Spending among Hospitals, Study Finds By Anna Boyd 13:46, April 7th 2008 New research on Medicare spending shows unexplained variations in the amount, intensity and cost of care provided to Medicare patients at the nation's top academic medical centers in their last two years of life. {....} http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Huge_Variations_in_Medicare_Spending_among_Hospitals_Study_Finds_16039.html
From: Twittering One on 7 Apr 2008 14:58 If admitted to a psych ward, the higher your chances later for killing yourself, relative to non-admits, say studies.
From: Erin on 7 Apr 2008 15:41 Twittering One wrote: > If admitted to a psych ward, the higher your chances later for killing > yourself, relative to non-admits, say studies. Not that i have great doubts, but a reference would be nice on such a controversial statement. I think small neighbourhood clinics would be so much better. The PQ gov. in Canada set them up in its wisdom, but they are out-clinics. Maybe the US has something similar? HMOs? Erin
From: Erin on 7 Apr 2008 17:32 MothWrangler wrote: > Erin wrote: > > > > Twittering One wrote: > > > >>If admitted to a psych ward, the higher your chances later for killing > >>yourself, relative to non-admits, say studies. > > > > > > Not that i have great doubts, but a reference would be nice > > on such a controversial statement. I think small neighbourhood > > clinics > > would be so much better. The PQ gov. in Canada set them > > up in its wisdom, but they are out-clinics. Maybe the US has > > something similar? HMOs? > > > > Erin > > If the studies didn't control for severity of illness, the claimed > results wouldn't be a surprise. > > In the US, only the most severely mentally ill individuals tend to be > hospitalized in a psych ward. In many cases, the individuals are > admitted because they are a danger to themselves or others. > > The less severely ill, or persons who aren't a danger to themselves or > others, usually are treated on a out-patient basis. > > Given that the most ill and most dangerous are the patients > hospitalized, it wouldn't be surprising if, after release, they were > more likely to commit suicide. > > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else > > > -- > Proud member since 2007, WWWSC #1 > Ann/Emma Anne #4 But Twittering One said "relative to non-admits" which would indicate that the treatment itself may not be complete or good. That's why a ref. would be nice. Erin
From: Linda on 7 Apr 2008 17:50
On Apr 7, 11:58 am, Twittering One <mournenwo...(a)aol.com> wrote: > If admitted to a psych ward, the higher your chances later for killing > yourself, relative to non-admits, say studies. That goes without saying. SEE The Flies by Jean Paul Sartre http://www.sparknotes.com/drama/theflies/section6.rhtml "freedom specifically requires that the being- for-itself not be either a being-for-others or a being-in-itself. A being-for- others occurs when human beings accept morals thrust onto them by others. A being-in-itself occurs when human beings do not separate themselves from objects of nature." In many cases, the motive for incarcerating an individual in a psych ward is a sinister one: To wit: to exact retribution against them for living an existence wherein their being is for themselves, rather then, an existence where their beings-for-others or being-in-itself. Transforming individuals from individuals whose existence is charactererized by their being for themself TO individuals whose existence is that of being-in-itself or being-for-others IS the ultimage goal of the retribution exacted against individuals whose exist as beings for themselves via incarceration in psych wards Whenever such individuals lack the financial wherewithal to emigrate to other countries and/or the emotional wherewithal to survive stark reality living off the land/streets, such individuals will OFF themselves rather then live an existence wherein they're liberty is dependant upon their acquiesing to the inherently evil others who employ psychiatric coercion to transform anyone who won't exist as beings for inherently evil others to being for inherently evil others. |