"We know that hospitals are dangerous places if you don't need to be there," Dr. Eliot Fisher, who also led the study, said.
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From: Erin on 10 Apr 2008 07:47 Linda wrote: > On Apr 7, 12:41 pm, Erin <squig...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > > Twittering One wrote: > > > If admitted to a psych ward, the higher your chances later for killing > > > yourself, relative to non-admits, say studies. > > > > Not that i have great doubts, but a reference would be nice.... > > > >I think small neighbourhood > > clinics > > would be so much better. The PQ gov. in Canada set them, ..... > > ....but they are out-clinics. > > Here's what one of the other crime victim of the "usenet 500's" > criminal vigilante gangstalking and terrorfication said in the Toronto > Star. > > > http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/410378 > > Might as well be a prison > > > Apr 05, 2008 04:30 AM > Re:Hospitals are not jails > > Letter, April 4 > > It is painfully obvious that June Conway Beeby has never experienced > involuntary psychiatric hospitalization and "treatment" - either that > or she is in wilful denial. > > People detained in psychiatric facilities are in an environment that > is inherently punitive and demeaning in nature - they are not free to > come and go and have little control over what happens to them. > > As well, the Mental Health Act provides the police with broad powers > when dealing with people in crisis and authorizes involuntary > detention without due process on the say-so of a medical practitioner. > The appeal process available to Ontario's psychiatric inmates through > the Consent and Capacity Board is essentially an afterthought and is > heavily weighted in favour of the professionals. > > With the passage of "Brian's Law" in 2000, psychiatry's power to > police an individual's behaviour and intervene over their objections > was extended to people's homes, with the implementation of community > treatment orders. Innocent Ontarians have since found themselves > subject to the restrictions of this oppressive "leash law" under pain > of arrest for non-compliance. > > As far as I'm concerned, if someone is being legally detained or > having their freedom restricted for any reason, they should be > considered incarcerated. > > > Graeme Bacque, Toronto But what if seriously ill patients do not take their medication and through withdrawal or no med, kill people, usually in their family who takes them? Isn't it better to provide good outcare clinics or homes or even nursing? If the hospitals were like co-ops maybe things would not be so bad. Erin
From: MSmith on 10 Apr 2008 09:17 Graham Bacque, that name is familiar, isn't he the male you, an infamous usenet quack? "Linda" <Indomitable2(a)netzero.com> wrote in message news:fae28371-b163-4b7a-82f1-57c3b5cb072a(a)m1g2000pre.googlegroups.com... > On Apr 7, 12:41 pm, Erin <squig...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: >> Twittering One wrote: >> > If admitted to a psych ward, the higher your chances later for killing >> > yourself, relative to non-admits, say studies. >> >> Not that i have great doubts, but a reference would be nice.... > > >>I think small neighbourhood >> clinics >> would be so much better. The PQ gov. in Canada set them, ..... >> ....but they are out-clinics. > > Here's what one of the other crime victim of the "usenet 500's" > criminal vigilante gangstalking and terrorfication said in the Toronto > Star. > > > http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/410378 > > Might as well be a prison > > > Apr 05, 2008 04:30 AM > Re:Hospitals are not jails > > Letter, April 4 > > It is painfully obvious that June Conway Beeby has never experienced > involuntary psychiatric hospitalization and "treatment" - either that > or she is in wilful denial. > > People detained in psychiatric facilities are in an environment that > is inherently punitive and demeaning in nature - they are not free to > come and go and have little control over what happens to them. > > As well, the Mental Health Act provides the police with broad powers > when dealing with people in crisis and authorizes involuntary > detention without due process on the say-so of a medical practitioner. > The appeal process available to Ontario's psychiatric inmates through > the Consent and Capacity Board is essentially an afterthought and is > heavily weighted in favour of the professionals. > > With the passage of "Brian's Law" in 2000, psychiatry's power to > police an individual's behaviour and intervene over their objections > was extended to people's homes, with the implementation of community > treatment orders. Innocent Ontarians have since found themselves > subject to the restrictions of this oppressive "leash law" under pain > of arrest for non-compliance. > > As far as I'm concerned, if someone is being legally detained or > having their freedom restricted for any reason, they should be > considered incarcerated. > > > Graeme Bacque, Toronto > >
From: Larry Hoover on 10 Apr 2008 10:10 "MSmith" <Msmith(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:47fe1368$0$7085$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com... > Graham Bacque, that name is familiar, isn't he the male you, an infamous > usenet quack? I don't know how infamous he is, but he's an advocate/activist for homelessness related issues in and around Toronto. I believe he's served some time in jail for public demonstrations he's organized. He's affiliated with OCAP, a group I've done some work for, also. Lar
From: Linda on 10 Apr 2008 11:44 On Apr 10, 4:47 am, Erin <squig...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > Linda wrote: > > On Apr 7, 12:41 pm, Erin <squig...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > Twittering One wrote: > > > > If admitted to a psych ward, the higher your chances later for killing > > > > yourself, relative to non-admits, say studies. > > > > Not that i have great doubts, but a reference would be nice.... > > > >I think small neighbourhood > > > clinics > > > would be so much better. The PQ gov. in Canada set them, ..... > > > ....but they are out-clinics. > > > Here's what one of the other crime victim of the "usenet 500's" > > criminal vigilante gangstalking and terrorfication said in the Toronto > > Star. > > >http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/410378 > > > Might as well be a prison > > > Apr 05, 2008 04:30 AM > > Re:Hospitals are not jails > > > Letter, April 4 > > > It is painfully obvious that June Conway Beeby has never experienced > > involuntary psychiatric hospitalization and "treatment" - either that > > or she is in wilful denial. > > > People detained in psychiatric facilities are in an environment that > > is inherently punitive and demeaning in nature - they are not free to > > come and go and have little control over what happens to them. > > > As well, the Mental Health Act provides the police with broad powers > > when dealing with people in crisis and authorizes involuntary > > detention without due process on the say-so of a medical practitioner. > > The appeal process available to Ontario's psychiatric inmates through > > the Consent and Capacity Board is essentially an afterthought and is > > heavily weighted in favour of the professionals. > > > With the passage of "Brian's Law" in 2000, psychiatry's power to > > police an individual's behaviour and intervene over their objections > > was extended to people's homes, with the implementation of community > > treatment orders. Innocent Ontarians have since found themselves > > subject to the restrictions of this oppressive "leash law" under pain > > of arrest for non-compliance. > > > As far as I'm concerned, if someone is being legally detained or > > having their freedom restricted for any reason, they should be > > considered incarcerated. > > > Graeme Bacque, Toronto > > But what if seriously ill patients do not take their > medication and through withdrawal or no med, > kill people, usually in their family who takes them? > Isn't it better to provide good outcare clinics or homes > or even nursing? If the hospitals were like co-ops > maybe things would not be so bad. Harming any individual to protect the interests of the fascists sociopaths accrueing power or making big $$$ off the Pharmocracy is a morally bankrupt position. IF you really want to make your morally bankrupt values the law of the land, THEN, A) enact laws outlawing the thoughts, feelings, and behaviors you want outlawed. B)Make the laws effective 6 months upon their enactment to give the citizenry the opportunity to settle their affairs and emigrate. C) After 6 months, round up, arrest, prosecute and imprison everyone whose thoughts, feelings and/or behaviors have been outlawed by the morally bankrupt values of the society.
From: Erin on 10 Apr 2008 12:37
Linda wrote: > On Apr 10, 4:47�am, Erin <squig...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > > Linda wrote: > > > On Apr 7, 12:41 pm, Erin <squig...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > > Twittering One wrote: > > > > > If admitted to a psych ward, the higher your chances later for killing > > > > > yourself, relative to non-admits, say studies. > > > > > > Not that i have great doubts, but a reference would be nice.... > > > > > >I think small neighbourhood > > > > clinics > > > > would be so much better. �The PQ gov. in Canada set them, ...... > > > > ....but they are out-clinics. > > > > > Here's what one of the other crime victim of the "usenet 500's" > > > criminal vigilante gangstalking and terrorfication said in the Toronto > > > Star. > > > > >http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/410378 > > > > > Might as well be a prison > > > > > Apr 05, 2008 04:30 AM > > > Re:Hospitals are not jails > > > > > Letter, April 4 > > > > > It is painfully obvious that June Conway Beeby has never experienced > > > involuntary psychiatric hospitalization and "treatment" - either that > > > or she is in wilful denial. > > > > > People detained in psychiatric facilities are in an environment that > > > is inherently punitive and demeaning in nature - they are not free to > > > come and go and have little control over what happens to them. > > > > > As well, the Mental Health Act provides the police with broad powers > > > when dealing with people in crisis and authorizes involuntary > > > detention without due process on the say-so of a medical practitioner. > > > The appeal process available to Ontario's psychiatric inmates through > > > the Consent and Capacity Board is essentially an afterthought and is > > > heavily weighted in favour of the professionals. > > > > > With the passage of "Brian's Law" in 2000, psychiatry's power to > > > police an individual's behaviour and intervene over their objections > > > was extended to people's homes, with the implementation of community > > > treatment orders. Innocent Ontarians have since found themselves > > > subject to the restrictions of this oppressive "leash law" under pain > > > of arrest for non-compliance. > > > > > As far as I'm concerned, if someone is being legally detained or > > > having their freedom restricted for any reason, they should be > > > considered incarcerated. > > > > > Graeme Bacque, Toronto > > > > But what if seriously ill patients do not take their > > medication and through withdrawal or no med, > > kill people, usually in their family who takes them? > > Isn't it better to provide good outcare clinics or homes > > or even nursing? �If the hospitals were like co-ops > > maybe things would not be so bad. > > > Harming any individual to protect the interests of the fascists > sociopaths accrueing power or making big $$$ off the Pharmocracy is a > morally bankrupt position. > > IF you really want to make your morally bankrupt values the law of the > land, THEN, > > A) enact laws outlawing the thoughts, feelings, and behaviors you > want outlawed. > Already done - Paul Bernardo is in jail, for example; > B)Make the laws effective 6 months upon their enactment to give the > citizenry the opportunity to settle their affairs and emigrate. Murder (1st, 2nd, accidental), manslaughter, hate crimes, crimes of passion, crimes of insanity, all are written in the law books. The only people who have to emigrate are those without citizenship. > > C) After 6 months, round up, arrest, prosecute and imprison > everyone whose thoughts, feelings and/or behaviors have been outlawed > by the morally bankrupt values of the society. We are not talking about sentences being handed down by the morally corrupt, but by the law. See the cases of Scott Peterson for example, O. J. Simpson, Spencer[?], the producer, Sid Vicious, and others who have committed crimes under the influence of passion or drugs, or coming off them. The point is that medication withdrawal can be monitored and tragedies of suicided or homicide or violence can be prevented. If you prefer to close your eyes to this reality, you are a heartless person who hides under ideological bullshit. Erin |