"We know that hospitals are dangerous places if you don't need to be there," Dr. Eliot Fisher, who also led the study, said.
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From: Erin on 9 Apr 2008 11:31 Steven B. Singer, M.Ed., LPC wrote: > Is that because of the admission to the psych ward or to some other factor > such as the individual was suicidal prior to admission? I would expect > people to be at a higher risk of suicide who were admitted inpatient. > That's the reason they are typically admitted. Could you please link to the > study you are referring. > > Steve Singer, LPC > "Erin" <squiggle(a)sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:fd5cd2a0-066e-41a0-b899-d27b71cf4bb3(a)2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > Twittering One wrote: > >> If admitted to a psych ward, the higher your chances later for killing > >> yourself, relative to non-admits, say studies. > > > > Not that i have great doubts, but a reference would be nice > > on such a controversial statement. I think small neighbourhood > > clinics > > would be so much better. The PQ gov. in Canada set them > > up in its wisdom, but they are out-clinics. Maybe the US has > > something similar? HMOs? > > > > Erin I've lost the track of threads... Erin
From: Linda on 9 Apr 2008 14:21 On Apr 9, 7:54 am, "Steven B. Singer, M.Ed., LPC" > That's the reason they are typically admitted. Says who? Oops! I know. The mythomaniacs say so, so it must be true. Not!
From: Linda on 9 Apr 2008 14:33 On Apr 8, 8:53 am, Erin <squig...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > marcia wrote: > > On Apr 8, 10:05 am, Erin <squig...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > marcia wrote: > > > > On Apr 8, 7:20 am, Erin <squig...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > > > Jan Drew wrote: > > > > > > "LostBoyinNC" > > > > > > Advocates of deinstitutionalization see the world > > > > > through rose-coloured glasses; completely blind to > > > > > the cruelty, humiliation and outcasting that society > > > > > throws on not just the mentally ill, but anyone who > > > > > does not fit in to their clique. That's why a lot of > > > > > mentally ill people who have no support end up on > > > > > the streets, in prostitution, abuse, or somehow taken advantage > > > > > of. For seriously ill people who need help, the solution is to > > > > > improve > > > > > hospitals, not to kick people out on the street. > > > > > > "Freedom's just another word, for nothing left to lose.." > > > > > > - > > > > > Janice Joplin > > > > > You forgot to mention, "or in jail"--one of the more popular dumping > > > > grounds for deinstitutionalized mentally ill. > > > > True, in the States it's scandalous -- and what a horrible place > > > for the mentally ill. The shortage of beds and resources does > > > not allow for the long-term stay that used to be the case pre-50s > > > anyway. That goes for all hospitals now--- they would rather you > > > were taken care of outside somehow. > > > > Erin > > > Is the same true in Canada? > > Some stats; it's probably not as bad as in the States, but the trend > towards community care instead of hospital care, which started in > the 60s shares an ambiguity in economic/humanistic interests, imho. > (see par. below). > A seriously ill person in crisis may spend a couple of days in a > hospital, but as in other areas of medicine, the shorter the time the > better for government budgets. > > http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/PRBpubs/prb0402-e.htm > > "Mental Illness, Homelessness and the Criminal Justice System > A. Health System Challenges - Deinstitutionalization > and Funding for Community Health > > There continues to be debate over whether homelessness is a "pathway" > to mental illness > and substance abuse, or mental illness and substance abuse are > "pathways" to > homelessness. Regardless of one's position in this matter, research > completed by > the Mental Health Policy Research Group, Hwang, and Zapf, Roesch and > Hart(18) > suggests that mental illness and substance abuse are more prevalent > amongst > homeless persons. > > Historically, individuals with mental illness were institutionalized > in psychiatric or > other long-term health facilities. A policy of progressive > deinstitutionalization, > beginning in the early 1960s, resulted in a steep decline in hospital > populations. > The number of beds in Canadian mental hospitals fell from > 47,633 in 1960 to 15,011 in 1976, a decrease of 68%.(19) > In Greater Toronto, the number of long-term psychiatric hospital beds > fell from 3,857 in 1960 to 761 in 1994, a decrease of 80%.(20) > > Although it has been widely reported that deinstitutionalization led > to > a rise in homelessness, this claim has been disputed. For example, > it has been found that in the United States "the contribution of > deinstitutionalization > to homelessness was marginal at best."(21) Further, the Pathways > Project > reported that by the late 1990s, only 6% of homeless persons had been > in a > psychiatric facility in the 12-month period immediately prior to their > homelessness.(22) > > It was intended that deinstitutionalization be accompanied by a > corresponding > increase in the availability of community-based treatment and support > services. > This commitment was not fulfilled to the extent needed.(23) Further, > during the > 1990s, some Canadian governments sought to control funding for > healthcare(24) > and community-based support services,(25) made social assistance more > difficult > to obtain,(26) and withdrew financial support for social housing.(27) > It is arguable > that the reduction in the provision of these services placed more > individuals at risk > of becoming homeless, and made it more difficult for homeless persons > to acquire > housing and to access services, including mental health services, > necessary to > reintegrate into society.(28) > > B. Legal System Challenges - Police Services, Courts and Correctional > Facilities > > As the numbers of homeless persons have increased in all large > Canadian cities,(29) > and both homelessness and mental illness are strong predictors of > involvement with > the criminal justice system,(30) it is not surprising that large > numbers of homeless > persons have had this type of experience. As noted above, homeless > persons in > Toronto are far more likely to spend time in a police station or jail > than a psychiatric > hospital. > > Police services, courts, and correctional facilities are ill equipped > to contend with > these problems. Each evolved with a specific purpose and role, and > none were > designed to substitute for health and social services. Police > officers may not be > properly trained to deal with the complex needs of homeless persons > and individuals > with mental illnesses, and their powers under provincial mental health > laws are restricted. > Notwithstanding these limitations, in some communities police are > forced to take on > the role of mental health worker as their time spent dealing with > individuals who have > mental health problems has more than doubled.(31) > > Organizations such as the Canadian Mental Health Association have > argued that > insufficient and underfunded local mental health services have > contributed to an > increased criminalization of persons with mental illness. Having > viewed the findings > of Trends in Police Contact with Persons with Serious Mental Illness > in London, > Ontario, they noted that "community mental health services haven't had > an increase > in base budgets for more than a decade. That means people with mental > illnesses > and their families aren't getting the ... community services they need > to help them > cope and that means more pressure on the police, hospitals and other > emergency > services."(32) Ironically, while reduced community mental health > services may cause > more individuals to be conveyed to hospitals, beds are less available, > as criminalization > of individuals with mental illness has also resulted in fewer services > for civil clients.(33) > Moreover, when beds are available, homeless persons face the prospect > of discharge > to shelter facilities(34) that they may then be forced to leave.(35) > > The legal system is similarly ill equipped. The mental disorder > provisions of the > Criminal Code were enacted to contend with offenders who are seriously > affected > by mental illness and either are unfit to stand trial due to their > mental disorder or > are not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder. > However, while the > changes proposed to these provisions (36) in response to the report of > the House > of Commons Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights(37) may > allow the > legal system to deal with mentally disordered offenders more readily, > they will be of > little assistance to many homeless people or individuals with mental > illness dealt > with through a criminal process. Although provision is currently made > for specialized > assessment, treatment and reintegration of mentally disordered > offenders into society, > these services are hampered by a chronic lack of resources(38) and may > not be > available to other offenders with mental illness. > > Homeless persons, and persons with mental illnesses, are being > detained in > remand centres in Canada and the United States. Zapf, Roesch and Hart > found > that 7.8% of persons detained in the Vancouver Pretrial Service Centre > had been > homeless for most of the six-month period prior to their arrest. In > New York City, > 21% of inmates at a pretrial facility were homeless the night prior to > their arrest, > and 40% had been homeless at some point in the three years before > their > arrest. (39) Once imprisoned or otherwise held in the custody of the > correctional > system, however, their prospects are unimproved. > > As discussed above, mental illness, substance abuse and suicide are > more > prevalent amongst offenders in federal institutions. It has also been > found that > the environment in many facilities may contribute to mental illness or > addiction, > the recurrence or worsening of symptoms of these disorders, and > suicide. > Moloughney reported that risks of violence and death, separation from > family > and friends, and worries about parole reviews or transfers to other > facilities > "can challenge one's mental health. Individuals with existing mental > health > disorders will tend to have fewer personal resources to cope with > stressors, > resulting in the potential exacerbation of their disorders."(40) > Moreover, it has > been established that "the inmate's risk of acting in a self-damaging > or suicidal > manner is the product of a complex and fluctuating interaction among > the prison > environment, the inmate's individual vulnerabilities, and current > stresses."(41) > > Offenders, and particularly those with mental illnesses(42) or > addiction, and > those who were homeless prior to arrest,(43) face the prospect of > homelessness > upon release. Refusal to participate in discharge planning,(44) > reduced availability > of health and social services, and a lack of housing all contribute to > this possibility. > Regardless of whether these factors result in a first-time incidence > of homelessness, > or are part of a pattern of cyclical or chronic homelessness,(45) once > back on the > street the individual is again part of a community with a higher > prevalence of mental > illness and addiction, and a greater likelihood of contact with the > criminal justice system." > > also,http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/miic-mmac/chap_1_e.html > The gangsters who pick the pockets of hardworking canadians to publish nonsense like that do so despite the fact that Canada's socalled homeless are a minute percentage of the 3 billion people who inhabit the planet earth, who eschew the socalled amenities of modern life, in favor of living off the land. (Your thinking error is a consequence of your falsely believing those who chose to live off the land are running away from something, rather then running TO something....a lifestyle choice which affords them the opportunity to satisfy those pesky human needs whom Maslow and others have noted are needs common to all human beings.)
From: Linda on 9 Apr 2008 15:05 On Apr 7, 2:50 pm, Linda <Indomitab...(a)netzero.com> wrote: > On Apr 7, 11:58 am, Twittering One <mournenwo...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > If admitted to a psych ward, the higher your chances later for killing > > yourself, relative to non-admits, say studies. > > That goes without saying. > > SEE The Flies by Jean Paul Sartrehttp://www.sparknotes.com/drama/theflies/section6.rhtml > > "freedom specifically requires that the being- for-itself not be > either a being-for-others or a being-in-itself. > > A being-for- others occurs when human beings accept morals thrust onto > them by others. > > A being-in-itself occurs when human beings do not separate themselves > from objects of nature." > > In many cases, the motive for incarcerating an individual in a psych > ward is a sinister one: > > To wit: to exact retribution against them for living an existence > wherein their being is for themselves, rather then, an existence > where their beings-for-others or being-in-itself. > > Transforming individuals from individuals whose existence is > charactererized by their being for themself TO individuals whose > existence is that of being-in-itself or being-for-others IS the > ultimage goal of the retribution exacted against individuals whose > exist as beings for themselves via incarceration in psych wards > > Whenever such individuals lack the financial wherewithal to emigrate > to other countries and/or the emotional wherewithal to survive stark > reality living off the land/streets, such individuals will OFF > themselves rather then live an existence wherein they're liberty is > dependant upon their acquiesing to the inherently evil others who > employ psychiatric coercion to transform anyone who won't exist as > beings for inherently evil others to being for inherently evil others. Here's a perfect example.... For decades, the gangsters have been picking the pockets of hard working americans to wage a phony war on drugs. Physicians who own or run pain clinics are amongst the individuals targeted by the gangsters picking the pockets of hard working americans to way their phony war on drugs. The gangsters sought to coerce other physicians to bear false witness against other physicians. One of the physicians suicided rather then bear false witness against his fellow physicians. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maia-szalavitz/prosecutors-try-to-silenc_b_95688.html Maia Szalavitz Prosecutors Try to Silence Pain Activist, Don't Like Fair Play Posted April 8, 2008 | 04:52 PM (EST) "The physicians at that clinic were ultimately either convicted of narcotics sales or pled guilty to avoid lengthy prison sentences. One committed suicide rather than testify against his colleagues because he believed they were innocent, according to his brother. "
From: Linda on 10 Apr 2008 04:06
On Apr 7, 12:41 pm, Erin <squig...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > Twittering One wrote: > > If admitted to a psych ward, the higher your chances later for killing > > yourself, relative to non-admits, say studies. > > Not that i have great doubts, but a reference would be nice.... >I think small neighbourhood > clinics > would be so much better. The PQ gov. in Canada set them, ..... > ....but they are out-clinics. Here's what one of the other crime victim of the "usenet 500's" criminal vigilante gangstalking and terrorfication said in the Toronto Star. http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/410378 Might as well be a prison Apr 05, 2008 04:30 AM Re:Hospitals are not jails Letter, April 4 It is painfully obvious that June Conway Beeby has never experienced involuntary psychiatric hospitalization and "treatment" - either that or she is in wilful denial. People detained in psychiatric facilities are in an environment that is inherently punitive and demeaning in nature - they are not free to come and go and have little control over what happens to them. As well, the Mental Health Act provides the police with broad powers when dealing with people in crisis and authorizes involuntary detention without due process on the say-so of a medical practitioner. The appeal process available to Ontario's psychiatric inmates through the Consent and Capacity Board is essentially an afterthought and is heavily weighted in favour of the professionals. With the passage of "Brian's Law" in 2000, psychiatry's power to police an individual's behaviour and intervene over their objections was extended to people's homes, with the implementation of community treatment orders. Innocent Ontarians have since found themselves subject to the restrictions of this oppressive "leash law" under pain of arrest for non-compliance. As far as I'm concerned, if someone is being legally detained or having their freedom restricted for any reason, they should be considered incarcerated. Graeme Bacque, Toronto |