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From: Jan Drew on 9 Apr 2008 00:09

"marcia" <marcia12345.c(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a1becef0-9401-41bd-8fd7-ef158a162b7b(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 8, 7:20 am, Erin <squig...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> Jan Drew wrote:
>> > "LostBoyinNC"
>>
>> Advocates of deinstitutionalization see the world
>> through rose-coloured glasses; completely blind to
>> the cruelty, humiliation and outcasting that society
>> throws on not just the mentally ill, but anyone who
>> does not fit in to their clique. That's why a lot of
>> mentally ill people who have no support end up on
>> the streets, in prostitution, abuse, or somehow taken advantage
>> of. For seriously ill people who need help, the solution is to
>> improve
>> hospitals, not to kick people out on the street.
>>
>> "Freedom's just another word, for nothing left to lose.."
>>
>> -
>> Janice Joplin
>
> You forgot to mention, "or in jail"--one of the more popular dumping
> grounds for deinstitutionalized mentally ill.

Did anyone see the news here in Florida (our second home) when the lady
officer
dumped a handicapped person out of the wheel chair?

Haven't heard lately, but the officer ran from the law. She was/is facing
charges.
I believe see deserves *jail*.

From: Jan Drew on 9 Apr 2008 00:14

"Frank" <dawgface(a)ten.hut> wrote in message news:ftgutt$70o$1(a)aioe.org...
>
> "Erin" <squiggle(a)sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:1f3dd195-0bba-4c40-bbc9-543f9f1d6d83(a)8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>> marcia wrote:
>>> On Apr 8, 7:20 am, Erin <squig...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>> > Jan Drew wrote:
>>> > > "LostBoyinNC"
>>> >
>>> > Advocates of deinstitutionalization see the world
>>> > through rose-coloured glasses; completely blind to
>>> > the cruelty, humiliation and outcasting that society
>>> > throws on not just the mentally ill, but anyone who
>>> > does not fit in to their clique. That's why a lot of
>>> > mentally ill people who have no support end up on
>>> > the streets, in prostitution, abuse, or somehow taken advantage
>>> > of. For seriously ill people who need help, the solution is to
>>> > improve
>>> > hospitals, not to kick people out on the street.
>>> >
>>> > "Freedom's just another word, for nothing left to lose.."
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Janice Joplin
>>>
>>> You forgot to mention, "or in jail"--one of the more popular dumping
>>> grounds for deinstitutionalized mentally ill.
>>
>> True, in the States it's scandalous -- and what a horrible place
>> for the mentally ill. The shortage of beds and resources does
>> not allow for the long-term stay that used to be the case pre-50s
>> anyway. That goes for all hospitals now--- they would rather you
>> were taken care of outside somehow.
>>
>> Erin
>
> How quickly the tune changes. At one point people were getting lost in
> the system and could not get out. Some were retained against their will.
> Some never got their day in court.
>
> Before you all lament too much consider the other side of the coin and
> use that to make value judgments regarding the future.
>
> There is a huge amount of the mentally ill on the various forms of the
> internet.
>
>
Not to mention on Google newsgroups people are called mental ill simply
because the caller disagrees.
From: marcia on 9 Apr 2008 08:25
On Apr 9, 12:09 am, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "marcia" <marcia1234...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a1becef0-9401-41bd-8fd7-ef158a162b7b(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 8, 7:20 am, Erin <squig...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> Jan Drew wrote:
> >> > "LostBoyinNC"
>
> >> Advocates of deinstitutionalization see the world
> >> through rose-coloured glasses; completely blind to
> >> the cruelty, humiliation and outcasting that society
> >> throws on not just the mentally ill, but anyone who
> >> does not fit in to their clique. That's why a lot of
> >> mentally ill people who have no support end up on
> >> the streets, in prostitution, abuse, or somehow taken advantage
> >> of. For seriously ill people who need help, the solution is to
> >> improve
> >> hospitals, not to kick people out on the street.
>
> >> "Freedom's just another word, for nothing left to lose.."
>
> >> -
> >> Janice Joplin
>
> > You forgot to mention, "or in jail"--one of the more popular dumping
> > grounds for deinstitutionalized mentally ill.
>
> Did anyone see the news here in Florida (our second home) when the lady
> officer
> dumped a handicapped person out of the wheel chair?
>
> Haven't heard lately, but the officer ran from the law. She was/is facing
> charges.
> I believe see deserves *jail*.

I would agree with that, but I don't consider her an example of "the
deinstitutionalized mentally ill," just another thug.
From: Erin on 9 Apr 2008 10:12


Frank wrote:
> "Erin" <squiggle(a)sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:1f3dd195-0bba-4c40-bbc9-543f9f1d6d83(a)8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> > marcia wrote:
> >> On Apr 8, 7:20 am, Erin <squig...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> > Jan Drew wrote:
> >> > > "LostBoyinNC"
> >> >
> >> > Advocates of deinstitutionalization see the world
> >> > through rose-coloured glasses; completely blind to
> >> > the cruelty, humiliation and outcasting that society
> >> > throws on not just the mentally ill, but anyone who
> >> > does not fit in to their clique. That's why a lot of
> >> > mentally ill people who have no support end up on
> >> > the streets, in prostitution, abuse, or somehow taken advantage
> >> > of. For seriously ill people who need help, the solution is to
> >> > improve
> >> > hospitals, not to kick people out on the street.
> >> >
> >> > "Freedom's just another word, for nothing left to lose.."
> >> >
> >> > -
> >> > Janice Joplin
> >>
> >> You forgot to mention, "or in jail"--one of the more popular dumping
> >> grounds for deinstitutionalized mentally ill.
> >
> > True, in the States it's scandalous -- and what a horrible place
> > for the mentally ill. The shortage of beds and resources does
> > not allow for the long-term stay that used to be the case pre-50s
> > anyway. That goes for all hospitals now--- they would rather you
> > were taken care of outside somehow.
> >
> > Erin
>
> How quickly the tune changes. At one point people were getting lost in
> the system and could not get out. Some were retained against their will.
> Some never got their day in court.
>
> Before you all lament too much consider the other side of the coin and
> use that to make value judgments regarding the future.
>
> There is a huge amount of the mentally ill on the various forms of the
> internet.


What do you mean Frank?

Erin
From: Steven B. Singer, M.Ed., LPC on 9 Apr 2008 10:54
Is that because of the admission to the psych ward or to some other factor
such as the individual was suicidal prior to admission? I would expect
people to be at a higher risk of suicide who were admitted inpatient.
That's the reason they are typically admitted. Could you please link to the
study you are referring.

Steve Singer, LPC
"Erin" <squiggle(a)sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:fd5cd2a0-066e-41a0-b899-d27b71cf4bb3(a)2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Twittering One wrote:
>> If admitted to a psych ward, the higher your chances later for killing
>> yourself, relative to non-admits, say studies.
>
> Not that i have great doubts, but a reference would be nice
> on such a controversial statement. I think small neighbourhood
> clinics
> would be so much better. The PQ gov. in Canada set them
> up in its wisdom, but they are out-clinics. Maybe the US has
> something similar? HMOs?
>
> Erin


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