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From: Steve Kramer on 14 Aug 2006 18:13

"Bill" <zerospam(a)midsouth.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Ken, we're in the same boat; what has your PSA been doing in response
> to all that? I don't eat nearly as good as you do but I take Theralogix
> Prostate 2.2 (200 IU E, 3200 IU D, 400 mcg selenium, 60 mg lycopene,
> 250 mcg soy isoflavones) caps, a 250 mg pomegranate extract cap, and
> 325 mg naproxen 2x. I've been trying different cominations and have
> also included higher doses of E and fish oil.

I guess this is as good time as any to hijack a thread.

By GP wants me to go off Vit. E due to recent studies regarding effects on
the heart.

Is there any evidence that Vit. E actually helps the fight against PCa?




--
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
Non Illegitimi Carborundum


From: I.P. Freely on 14 Aug 2006 18:20
Steve Kramer wrote:
> I guess this is as good time as any to hijack a thread.

Given the number of times E has been touted lately, I agree.

> My GP wants me to go off Vit. E due to recent studies regarding effects on
> the heart.
>
> Is there any evidence that Vit. E actually helps the fight against PCa?

I've gotten the IMPRESSION there's more evidence that 400 IU of vit E is
harmful to our CV system than there is that E fights PC.

OTOH . . . someone recently said he'd prefer to die of a heart attack
than by PC.

I.P.
From: Steve Kramer on 14 Aug 2006 18:48


"I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddaboutit(a)noway.nohow> wrote in message
news:fE6Eg.2134$V51.686(a)newsfe06.lga...

> OTOH . . . someone recently said he'd prefer to die of a heart attack than
> by PC.

Excellent point!!! Why did I eat those four pieces of banana nut bread if
I'm worried about my heart? :-)

--
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
Non Illegitimi Carborundum


From: I.P. Freely on 14 Aug 2006 20:18
Steve Kramer wrote:
> "I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddaboutit(a)noway.nohow> wrote in message
> news:fE6Eg.2134$V51.686(a)newsfe06.lga...
>
>> OTOH . . . someone recently said he'd prefer to die of a heart attack than
>> by PC.
>
> Excellent point!!! Why did I eat those four pieces of banana nut bread if
> I'm worried about my heart? :-)
>
Because potassium and fiber are good for us. The main problem was the
butter.

And, oh yeah . . . because it TASTES GOOD.

I.P.
From: Ed Friedman on 15 Aug 2006 13:21
Steve Kramer wrote:
> "Bill" <zerospam(a)midsouth.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:1155564613.869842.240710(a)m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>>Ken, we're in the same boat; what has your PSA been doing in response
>>to all that? I don't eat nearly as good as you do but I take Theralogix
>>Prostate 2.2 (200 IU E, 3200 IU D, 400 mcg selenium, 60 mg lycopene,
>>250 mcg soy isoflavones) caps, a 250 mg pomegranate extract cap, and
>>325 mg naproxen 2x. I've been trying different cominations and have
>>also included higher doses of E and fish oil.
>
>
> I guess this is as good time as any to hijack a thread.
>
> By GP wants me to go off Vit. E due to recent studies regarding effects on
> the heart.
>
> Is there any evidence that Vit. E actually helps the fight against PCa?
>

Steve,

The study your GP is referring to is bogus. The problem is that doctors
call a substance "Vit. E" even if its chemical composition is totally
different than the actual substance found in nature.

Basically, if you just look at natural Vit. E complex, then nobody has
ever reported any adverse effects at any dosage. The worst "Vit. E" to
take is the synthetic Vit. E (differenct chemical composition). Natural
Vit. E (not the complex) is also not that good to take in large dosages,
since it is purified d-alpha tocopherol, and significant health benefits
have been identified in the beta and gamma components. Too much alpha
will decrease your beta and gamma concentrations.

Although I'm not aware of any studies that show a positive effect for
Vit. E in vivo, Dr. Meikle has demonstrated that it kills Pca cells in
vitro:

Gunawardena K, Murray DK, Meikle AW. Vitamin E and other antioxidants
inhibit human prostate cancer cells through apoptosis. Prostate.
2000;44:287-295

Ed Friedman
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