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From: Mandy on 29 Sep 2008 06:02 real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet (Rowland McDonnell) wrote in news:1io05st.87ngkebp6qu1N%real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet: <snip> >> When you're a veggie you've got to take what's on offer (which often >> limits you to one or two menu options when eating out). > > <shrug> I don't eat out. And I don't see why Quorn should be on the > menu at all, anywhere. There are plenty of `proper' foods that veggies > can eat, I do know that and I've enjoyed lots of good proper veggie food > in my time. > I've been vegetarian for almost 20 years and while veggie food has improved over the years (I started out as having the same as meat eaters without the meat to being able to find things made suitable for vegetarians now) there is still a long way to go! > On the other hand, I don't quite understand vegetarianism. No > objections, I just don't quite get it. > I can only talk for myself but I don't see why we should kill animals when we can have a perfectly healthy diet without meat or fish! > btw, the argument that it's kinder to the enviroment to be veggie than > omnivorous like me is fallacious: it takes more resources to grow a > balanced veggie diet than it does to grow a balanced omnivorous diet. > Or so I found out recently. > That's not why I'm veggie at all! I just don't see why an animal has to be killed just for me to eat it and I don't like the taste of meat now either! I can't even eat, for example, beef and onion crisps because they taste too much like meat! > Yes, yes, wheat beats beef on the environmental side if you take into > account water useage (as you'd expect - beef cattle were bred into > current form largely in well watered places, while wheat comes from the > arid and drought-prone Middle East). On the other hand, chicken beats > lentils on the environmental side, plenty of places don't have water > shortages, and there's almost no waste at all from a slaughtered pig. > Not like with most food crops, where there's a lot of waste material > that needs handling. > The waste from veggie stuff can be composted and used to help future crops grow! > Rowland. > -- Stay Safe, Mandy Money talks, chocolate sings http://mandy2.bravehost.com/
From: firemonkey on 29 Sep 2008 13:00 Mandy wrote: > > > I can only talk for myself but I don't see why we should kill animals > when we can have a perfectly healthy diet without meat or fish! Is it better to be an equal opportunities omnivore killing both animals and poor old fruit and veggies etc alike or to spare the animals and just do in the veggies etc ? ;) > >> btw, the argument that it's kinder to the enviroment to be veggie than >> omnivorous like me is fallacious: it takes more resources to grow a >> balanced veggie diet than it does to grow a balanced omnivorous diet. >> Or so I found out recently. >> > > That's not why I'm veggie at all! I just don't see why an animal has to > be killed just for me to eat it and I don't like the taste of meat now > either! I can't even eat, for example, beef and onion crisps because > they taste too much like meat! > >> Yes, yes, wheat beats beef on the environmental side if you take into >> account water useage (as you'd expect - beef cattle were bred into >> current form largely in well watered places, while wheat comes from the >> arid and drought-prone Middle East). On the other hand, chicken beats >> lentils on the environmental side, plenty of places don't have water >> shortages, and there's almost no waste at all from a slaughtered pig. >> Not like with most food crops, where there's a lot of waste material >> that needs handling. >> > > The waste from veggie stuff can be composted and used to help future > crops grow! > >> Rowland. >> > > >
From: Evil_Nigel on 29 Sep 2008 13:34 x-no-archive: yes On Sep 29, 6:00 pm, firemonkey <firemon...(a)gatty.me.uk> wrote: > Mandy wrote: > > > I can only talk for myself but I don't see why we should kill animals > > when we can have a perfectly healthy diet without meat or fish! > > Is it better to be an equal opportunities omnivore killing both animals > and poor old fruit and veggies etc alike or to spare the animals and > just do in the veggies etc ? ;) You missed the third alternative - meat and fish only, like the Eskimo. Plants exhibit symptoms of pain and distress and unlike animals can regrow from quite small pieces, so it could be argued that they suffer more than animals. Evil Nigel
From: Rowland McDonnell on 29 Sep 2008 14:49 firemonkey <firemonkey(a)gatty.me.uk> wrote: [snip] > Is it better to be an equal opportunities omnivore killing both animals > and poor old fruit and veggies etc alike or to spare the animals and > just do in the veggies etc ? ;) 548 lines this time. Why do you keep making posts full of hundreds, if not thousands, of blank lines? Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Rowland McDonnell on 29 Sep 2008 15:13
<Evil_Nigel(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > firemonkey <firemon...(a)gatty.me.uk> wrote: > > Mandy wrote: > > > > > I can only talk for myself but I don't see why we should kill animals > > > when we can have a perfectly healthy diet without meat or fish! > > > > Is it better to be an equal opportunities omnivore killing both animals > > and poor old fruit and veggies etc alike or to spare the animals and > > just do in the veggies etc ? ;) > > You missed the third alternative - meat and fish only, like the > Eskimo. Fish are animals. > Plants exhibit symptoms of pain and distress and unlike animals can > regrow from quite small pieces, so it could be argued that they suffer > more than animals. Oh no it can't, because suffering cannot be measured, and no proper communication with plants has ever been achieved. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking |