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From: Liam T. on 3 Aug 2008 22:28

>
> No, someone misunderstands the insulin index of foods.  Protein causes
> more insulin release than carbs do, with fish causing the highest
> amount, but not in a spike the way carbs do, but rather over a longer,
> more prolonged period, which is why it won't spike blood glucose or insulin.
>
> About 58%of the protein you eat is converted to glucose, too, hence the
> wisdom of hormonally neutral fat in your diet to a generous degree.
>
> Susan

Thanks for all the replies.....Susan ...the author of the post claims
she got the information off: "The International Academy of Physique
Conditioning (IAPC) states this in their book"
So I don't know.....I don't know who they are...if reputable or not.
(or perhaps she misunderstood what she was reading)
But thanks
From: john on 6 Aug 2008 11:45
On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:58:46 -0400, Susan <nevermind(a)nomail.com>
wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>Liam T. wrote:
>> Hi There,
>>
>> I'm reading around and on lowcarbfriends, someone mentioned that a
>> intake more then 42 grms of protein (in one meal) will spike
>> insulin?
>> I'm looking around and finding mixed messages....
>>
>> Also , I wanted to buy some protein powder, I usually buy whey powder,
>> but now I'm being told that it also may create an insulin spike
>> despite being low carb. Is this something I should be concerned
>> about? Is egg protein powder better for lowcarbing?
>>
>> Thanks kindly
>
>
>No, someone misunderstands the insulin index of foods. Protein causes
>more insulin release than carbs do, with fish causing the highest
>amount, but not in a spike the way carbs do, but rather over a longer,
>more prolonged period, which is why it won't spike blood glucose or insulin.
>
>About 58%of the protein you eat is converted to glucose, too, hence the
>wisdom of hormonally neutral fat in your diet to a generous degree.
>
>Susan

I agree with your comments about fat, but protein is converted to
glucose ONLY IF THE BODY NEEDS IT. Here is a quote from "Diabetes
Solution" by Bernstein, M.D.

"Protein foods are only about 20 percent protein by weight (6 grams
per ounce", the rest being fat, water, or undigestible "gristle." The
liver, instructed by the hormone glucagon, can ...very slowly...
transform as much as 52 percent of the above 6 grams per ounce into
glucose IF BLOOD SUGAR DESCENDS TOO LOW OR
THE BODY'S OTHER AMINO ACID NEEDS HAVE BEEN MET."

From: Susan on 6 Aug 2008 11:51
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john wrote:

> I agree with your comments about fat, but protein is converted to
> glucose ONLY IF THE BODY NEEDS IT. Here is a quote from "Diabetes
> Solution" by Bernstein, M.D.
>
> "Protein foods are only about 20 percent protein by weight (6 grams
> per ounce", the rest being fat, water, or undigestible "gristle." The
> liver, instructed by the hormone glucagon, can ...very slowly...
> transform as much as 52 percent of the above 6 grams per ounce into
> glucose IF BLOOD SUGAR DESCENDS TOO LOW OR
> THE BODY'S OTHER AMINO ACID NEEDS HAVE BEEN MET."
>


I should have phrased it "up to 58%" which is the figure I've most often
encountered.

Susan
From: Susan on 6 Aug 2008 11:52
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john wrote:


P.S. On a low carb diet, the body does need it to meet the brain's
reduced, but still existent, glucose requirement. :-)

Susan
From: Doug Freyburger on 6 Aug 2008 12:20
john <jvb...(a)cox.net> wrote:
>
> I agree with your comments about fat, but  protein is converted to
> glucose ONLY IF THE BODY NEEDS IT.  Here is a quote from "Diabetes
> Solution" by Bernstein, M.D.

It's interesting how you define need in your quote below.

> "Protein foods are only about 20 percent protein by weight (6 grams
> per ounce", the rest being fat, water, or undigestible "gristle."  The
> liver, instructed by the hormone glucagon, can ...very slowly...
> transform as much as 52 percent of the above 6 grams per ounce into
> glucose IF BLOOD SUGAR DESCENDS TOO LOW OR
> THE BODY'S OTHER AMINO ACID NEEDS HAVE BEEN MET."

You clearly do not understand the meaning of the word "OR" in
your quote above.

1) The body will convert protein to glucose if blood sugar goes
too low. This happens independent of the body's amino acid
needs for protein building and as such it is a metabolic starvation
response - The body burns lean faster than it burns fat because
in a famine the people whose metabolism drops as fast as
possible are the ones still alive next year when the harvest
happens.

2) The body will convert protein to glucose when the needs for
amino acids for protein building have been met. This is
independent of blood sugar level and as such is a metabolic
response to *excess* protein calories.

In other words, excess protein is converted to glucose, just
like posters have written. The word "excess" matters, just
like the word "OR" matters in your quote.
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