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From: Rich Murray on 4 Dec 2005 00:04
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1261
Time to drop the pop? [ both regular and aspartame soda],
Jim Davidson, SouthernIllinoisan.com 2005.12.03:
James D Koonce, DDS: Brian H Hardin, MD: Murray

"However, this goes against my nature.
My nature is to go all out in whatever I do.
In the past I've started out slow but over time found myself
swigging one cola after another until bedtime,
which could add up to six to eight a day.
When I was diagnosed as borderline diabetic and
had to go on medication,
I knew the sugar I was consuming in soft drinks
was a big part of the problem, so I switched to diet drinks.

Then a few months ago I hit a period where I couldn't sleep,
and finally my wife, along with a golfing friend,
tipped me off that the aspartame in the diet drinks was causing it.
I have switched to water, unsweetened tea and fruit juices and
now I am sleeping much better.
What we eat and what we drink does make a difference in our health."


http://www.southernillinoisan.com/articles/2005/12/03/opinions/columnists/davidson/10002099.txt

Jim Davidson, Heartland Muse columnist: Time to drop the pop?
December 3, 2005

In the interest of good health, both yours and mine,
here is something that should be of interest to you and your family.

A few days ago I got a press release titled,
"Arkansas Children's Hospital's Pediatricians
Advise Children to Drop the Pop."
This release contains some great information for parents
who have children, but it also contains some real solid information
for adults as well.
I am going to share the release as I received it.

It begins,
"Many children and teenagers see that 2-liter plastic bottle of cola
in the fridge as a sugary-sweet, liquid temptation.
It's no secret that our children are drinking too much soda,
but how is it really affecting their health?
Pediatricians at Children's Hospital (ACH) caution that an unhealthy
amount of soft drinks can lead to an unhealthy child or teen.
[Arkansas Children's Hospital]

"A common place for parents to discover their child has been
drinking too much pop is the dentist's office.
Sodas contain a lot of sugar, acid and carbonation.
When these three mix in your mouth,
they make your saliva acidic and that accumulates on your teeth.
The acid then eats away at your teeth and allows bacteria in,
which leads to cavities.
'Children and adults should diminish the intake of sodas and
increase the intake of water and natural juices,'
says James Koonce, DDS, MSD, director of dental services at ACH.
'Sodas often take the place of fruit juices and water in children's diets,
and that's unhealthy for anyone.'

"Hot weather, outdoor play,
and soft drinks are not a good combination.

"With football, marching band, cross-country,
and many other activities,
parents should pay close attention to the amount of soda their children
are consuming.
Soft drinks contain no nutritional value except for the 150 calories
of refined sugar in a single can, which can lead to dehydration.

"'It's important for teens to understand how certain foods
and beverages affect their systems and how they can take charge
of their developmental process,' says Brian Hardin, MD,
director of the Adolescent Center at ACH and
associate professor of pediatrics
at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences (UAMS).

"'When your body tells you it's thirsty and you feed it 150 calories,
it confuses your system. Your body says, I'm thirsty,
and you give it a small meal.'
Hardin says once a child understands how to be healthy,
he then gives them advice on healthier options.
'Natural juice, milk, some sports drinks quench thirst and
provide nutritional value, but the best thing to drink is lots of water,'
says Hardin.
So how much soda is too much?
Koonce suggests one can or less per day is reasonable,
but both doctors agree that none is the healthiest choice.

"Parents should be sure to make children brush their teeth
after drinking sodas, and after meals for that matter.
Encouraging your child or teen to take responsibility for healthier living;
providing facts about soft drinks and alternative beverages;
and setting an example by limiting sodas for all family members,
are the best ways to focus on good teeth and good health."

I don't normally pass along releases of this nature,
but this one hit home with me and maybe for you too,
so I decided to make it the exception to the rule.

In thinking about what this release said and
how it affects my own health, the thing that hit a nerve with me
is that part about drinking one can or less a day of soda pop or cola,
as it's now called, is reasonable.

However, this goes against my nature.
My nature is to go all out in whatever I do.
In the past I've started out slow but over time found myself
swigging one cola after another until bedtime,
which could add up to six to eight a day.
When I was diagnosed as borderline diabetic and
had to go on medication,
I knew the sugar I was consuming in soft drinks
was a big part of the problem, so I switched to diet drinks.

Then a few months ago I hit a period where I couldn't sleep,
and finally my wife, along with a golfing friend,
tipped me off that the aspartame in the diet drinks was causing it.
I have switched to water, unsweetened tea and fruit juices and
now I am sleeping much better.
What we eat and what we drink does make a difference in our health.

When we are young, we think we are invincible,
but as we grow older we learn that is not the case at all.
Wish I had been a lot smarter several years ago and
I might not have had to have heart bypass surgery.

As they say, "There is no fool like an old fool."
Hope you will think seriously about what these doctors are saying
about drinking colas. It may be time to drop the pop.

Jim Davidson is a motivational speaker and syndicated columnist.
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http://www.archildrens.org/resources/health_ekids/oct04/pop.asp

James D. Koonce, DDS, MSD, director of Dental Services
at Arkansas Children's Hospital

Health eKids Newsletter
Publication Date: 10/6/2004

Arkansas Children's Hospital's Pediatricians
Advise Children to Drop the Pop

Koonce, James D. - D.D.S. Chief - Dentistry
A physician in private, community practice
Medical School: Baylor Dental School 1971
Internship: General Dentistry 1972 Denver General Hospital
Residency 1: Ped Dentistry 1980 Baylor University Grad. School
Fellowship 1: MSD 1980 Baylor University
Fellowship 2: Pediatric Dentistry 1980 Denton State School

James D. Koonce, DDS, chief of dentistry at Arkansas Children's Hospital
James D. Koonce, DDS, MSD, director of Dental Services at ACH

Arkansas Children's Hospital
800 Marshall St., Little Rock, AR 72202-3591
(501) 364-1100 or TDD (501) 364-1184

James D Koonce DDS
Phone: 501-315-2111
Address: 1226 Ferguson Dr City: Benton State: AR Zip: 72015-3503
Specialty: Pedodontists

http://www.uams.edu/pediatrics/faculty/Adolescent%20Medicine/Hardin,%20Brian.asp

Brian H. Hardin, MD
Associate Professor of Pediatrics
Section of Adolescent Medicine
Section Chief
Associate Professor of Maternal and Child Health
Arkansas Children's Hospital 800 Marshall St. Little Rock, AR 72202
Phone: (501) 364-1849 Fax: (501) 364-6728
HardinBrianH(a)uams.edu

Education: MD - Creighton University School of Medicine, 1985
Training:
Internship: Pediatrics, University of Cincinnati, 1986
Residency: Pediatrics, University of Cincinnati, 1988
Fellowship: Adolescent Medicine, University of Cincinnati, 1989
Board Certification: Pediatrics Adolescent Medicine Sports Medicine
Hospital Appointments: Arkansas Children's Hospital
Clinical Interests: Sports Medicine, all aspects of Adolescent Care
Research Interests: Sports Medicine, Teen access to health care
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Rich Murray, MA Room For All rmforall(a)comcast.net
505-501-2298 1943 Otowi Road Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/messages
group with 148 members, 1,261 posts in a public, searchable archive
http://RoomForAll.blogspot.com http://AspartameNM.blogspot.com

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1237
ubiquitous potent uncontrolled co-factors in nutrition research are
formaldehyde from wood and tobacco smoke and many sources,
including from methanol in dark wines and liquors, in pectins
in fruits and vegetables, and in aspartame: Murray 2005.12.03

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1250
aspartame causes cancer in rats at levels approved for humans,
Morando Soffritti et al, Ramazzini Foundation, Italy &
National Toxicology Program
of National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences
2005.11.17 Env. Health Pers. 35 pages: Murray
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From: Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD on 4 Dec 2005 08:01
Rich Murray wrote:
> ******************************************************
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1261
> Time to drop the pop? [ both regular and aspartame soda],
> Jim Davidson, SouthernIllinoisan.com 2005.12.03:
> James D Koonce, DDS: Brian H Hardin, MD: Murray
>
> "However, this goes against my nature.
> My nature is to go all out in whatever I do.
> In the past I've started out slow but over time found myself
> swigging one cola after another until bedtime,
> which could add up to six to eight a day.

That is a lot of **liquid** food... possibly as much as 3 pounds in
**addition** to the solid food.

> When I was diagnosed as borderline diabetic and
> had to go on medication,
> I knew the sugar I was consuming in soft drinks
> was a big part of the problem, so I switched to diet drinks.

In truth, it was probably the weight gain in the form of visceral
adiposity.

> Then a few months ago I hit a period where I couldn't sleep,
> and finally my wife, along with a golfing friend,
> tipped me off that the aspartame in the diet drinks was causing it.
> I have switched to water, unsweetened tea and fruit juices and
> now I am sleeping much better.

It could be the aspartame if there were large quantities of it being
ingested.

> What we eat and what we drink does make a difference in our health."

Actually, **how much** is probably more relevant here.


>
> http://www.southernillinoisan.com/articles/2005/12/03/opinions/columnists/davidson/10002099.txt
>
> Jim Davidson, Heartland Muse columnist: Time to drop the pop?
> December 3, 2005
>
> In the interest of good health, both yours and mine,
> here is something that should be of interest to you and your family.
>
> A few days ago I got a press release titled,
> "Arkansas Children's Hospital's Pediatricians
> Advise Children to Drop the Pop."
> This release contains some great information for parents
> who have children, but it also contains some real solid information
> for adults as well.
> I am going to share the release as I received it.
>
> It begins,
> "Many children and teenagers see that 2-liter plastic bottle of cola
> in the fridge as a sugary-sweet, liquid temptation.
> It's no secret that our children are drinking too much soda,
> but how is it really affecting their health?
> Pediatricians at Children's Hospital (ACH) caution that an unhealthy
> amount of soft drinks can lead to an unhealthy child or teen.
> [Arkansas Children's Hospital]
>
> "A common place for parents to discover their child has been
> drinking too much pop is the dentist's office.
> Sodas contain a lot of sugar, acid and carbonation.
> When these three mix in your mouth,
> they make your saliva acidic and that accumulates on your teeth.
> The acid then eats away at your teeth and allows bacteria in,
> which leads to cavities.
> 'Children and adults should diminish the intake of sodas and
> increase the intake of water and natural juices,'

Water yes. Natural juices no.


> says James Koonce, DDS, MSD, director of dental services at ACH.
> 'Sodas often take the place of fruit juices and water in children's diets,
> and that's unhealthy for anyone.'
>
> "Hot weather, outdoor play,
> and soft drinks are not a good combination.
>
> "With football, marching band, cross-country,
> and many other activities,
> parents should pay close attention to the amount of soda their children
> are consuming.
> Soft drinks contain no nutritional value except for the 150 calories
> of refined sugar in a single can, which can lead to dehydration.
>
> "'It's important for teens to understand how certain foods
> and beverages affect their systems and how they can take charge
> of their developmental process,' says Brian Hardin, MD,
> director of the Adolescent Center at ACH and
> associate professor of pediatrics
> at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences (UAMS).
>
> "'When your body tells you it's thirsty and you feed it 150 calories,
> it confuses your system. Your body says, I'm thirsty,
> and you give it a small meal.'

Yes. And, this would be the case with natural juices too.

> Hardin says once a child understands how to be healthy,
> he then gives them advice on healthier options.
> 'Natural juice, milk, some sports drinks quench thirst and
> provide nutritional value, but the best thing to drink is lots of water,'
> says Hardin.

Correct.

> So how much soda is too much?
> Koonce suggests one can or less per day is reasonable,
> but both doctors agree that none is the healthiest choice.

Correct.

> "Parents should be sure to make children brush their teeth
> after drinking sodas, and after meals for that matter.
> Encouraging your child or teen to take responsibility for healthier living;
> providing facts about soft drinks and alternative beverages;
> and setting an example by limiting sodas for all family members,
> are the best ways to focus on good teeth and good health."

Those who are using the 2PD-OMER Approach to lose weight safely and
permanently often make the choice to drastically reduce their
**liquid** food intake on their own accord:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

In Christ's love always,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

From: Ma?k on 7 Dec 2005 23:53
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:04:27 -0700, "Rich Murray" <rmforall(a)att.net>
Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:
the scammer murray wrote:
>
>"However, this goes against my nature.
>My nature is to go all out in whatever I do.
>In the past I've started out slow but over time found myself
>swigging one cola after another until bedtime,
>which could add up to six to eight a day.
>When I was diagnosed as borderline diabetic and
>had to go on medication,
>I knew the sugar I was consuming in soft drinks
>was a big part of the problem, so I switched to diet drinks.
>

sodas do not cause diabetes.

>Then a few months ago I hit a period where I couldn't sleep,
>and finally my wife, along with a golfing friend,
>tipped me off that the aspartame in the diet drinks was causing it.
>I have switched to water, unsweetened tea and fruit juices and
>now I am sleeping much better.
>What we eat and what we drink does make a difference in our health."

it's never had this affect on anyone I know, including myself and I've
been drinking them for years.

maybe I should get my medical advice from a golfing friend. maybe
that would make it all magically change.

--
M?ck??
Type 1 since 1975
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org



"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

(o o)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."



Jesus never hated anyone.


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From: BJ in Texas on 8 Dec 2005 13:27
Ma?k <youknow(a)youAreAnut.com> wrote:
|| On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:04:27 -0700, "Rich Murray"
|| <rmforall(a)att.net> Huffed and Puffed the following into the
|| madness of usenet:
||
|| maybe I should get my medical advice from a golfing friend.
|| maybe that would make it all magically change.
||

It might improve your golf game... :-)


--
"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the
cheese." -- Unknown


From: Ma?k on 8 Dec 2005 21:18
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:27:01 GMT, "BJ in Texas" <bjtexas(a)hotmale.con>
Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:

>Ma?k <youknow(a)youAreAnut.com> wrote:
>|| On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:04:27 -0700, "Rich Murray"
>|| <rmforall(a)att.net> Huffed and Puffed the following into the
>|| madness of usenet:
>||
>|| maybe I should get my medical advice from a golfing friend.
>|| maybe that would make it all magically change.
>||
>
>It might improve your golf game... :-)


which one? on the actual course it's pretty darned good, on the cyber
course it's far better than Tiger ever was.

--
M?ck??
Type 1 since 1975
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org



"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

(o o)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."



Jesus never hated anyone.


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