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From: Zapanaz on 2 Jul 2008 21:58 Rupert hunched over a computer, typing feverishly; Thunder crashed, Rupert laughed madly, then wrote: >On Jul 3, 6:13�am, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote: >> Rupert hunched over a computer, typing feverishly; >> Thunder crashed, Rupert laughed madly, then wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jul 3, 6:03�am, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote: >> >> Rupert hunched over a computer, typing feverishly; >> >> Thunder crashed, Rupert laughed madly, then wrote: >> >> >> >One person who did something useful is Henry Spira, who identifies as >> >> >an animal rights advocate. His first major success was to persuade the >> >> >cosmetics companies Revlon and Avon to develop an alternative to the >> >> >Draize test. It is as a result of this campaign that people can now >> >> >buy "cruelty-free" cosmetics. >> >> >> >I would say that the ban on battery cages in the EU is a big >> >> >improvement, some would call it "welfarist". >> >> >> >I am not especially fussed about what label people are putting on >> >> >themselves, I think the main thing to worry about is, are you getting >> >> >something done. >> >> >> I believe we should be more cruel to animals. �It builds their >> >> character. >> >> >Thanks for your intelligent feedback. I'll take your position into >> >serious consideration. :) >> >> What a cruel thing to say. >> > >I'm sorry if you felt I was being mean. I'll talk with my vegan >friends about how I need to try harder to be kind to my fellow >sentient beings. If you're a vegan, and I ate your leg, would I still be OK? -- Zapanaz International Satanic Conspiracy Customer Support Specialist http://joecosby.com/ They'll take my nudity when they pry it out of my cold dead fingers. Rev. Ivan Stang :: Currently listening to I Can't Keep From Crying Sometimes 3, 1973, by Ten Years After, from "Recorded Live"
From: Rupert on 2 Jul 2008 22:38 On Jul 2, 6:58 pm, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote: > Rupert hunched over a computer, typing feverishly; > Thunder crashed, Rupert laughed madly, then wrote: > > > > > > >On Jul 3, 6:13 am, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote: > >> Rupert hunched over a computer, typing feverishly; > >> Thunder crashed, Rupert laughed madly, then wrote: > > >> >On Jul 3, 6:03 am, Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote: > >> >> Rupert hunched over a computer, typing feverishly; > >> >> Thunder crashed, Rupert laughed madly, then wrote: > > >> >> >One person who did something useful is Henry Spira, who identifies as > >> >> >an animal rights advocate. His first major success was to persuade the > >> >> >cosmetics companies Revlon and Avon to develop an alternative to the > >> >> >Draize test. It is as a result of this campaign that people can now > >> >> >buy "cruelty-free" cosmetics. > > >> >> >I would say that the ban on battery cages in the EU is a big > >> >> >improvement, some would call it "welfarist". > > >> >> >I am not especially fussed about what label people are putting on > >> >> >themselves, I think the main thing to worry about is, are you getting > >> >> >something done. > > >> >> I believe we should be more cruel to animals. It builds their > >> >> character. > > >> >Thanks for your intelligent feedback. I'll take your position into > >> >serious consideration. :) > > >> What a cruel thing to say. > > >I'm sorry if you felt I was being mean. I'll talk with my vegan > >friends about how I need to try harder to be kind to my fellow > >sentient beings. > > If you're a vegan, and I ate your leg, would I still be OK? > Probably not if you ate my leg, no. There are some women who call themselves "vegansexuals" who will only have sex with men who are vegan. They only want cocks that are made of tofu, they couldn't live with themselves if they got sexual gratification from a body that is partly composed of animal products. So there's a target market that I can market myself to.
From: Dragonblaze on 3 Jul 2008 05:53 On 2 Jul, 22:40, Rupert <rupertmccal...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: [snip] > I am not especially fussed about what label people are putting on > themselves, I think the main thing to worry about is, are you getting > something done.- Hide quoted text - Well, I outlined what I do - namely donate to animal charities such as RSPCA and PDSA, and buy organic and/or freerange, which promotes more ethical animal husbandry by making it worth the farmer's while to adopt the practices. Dragonblaze
From: dh on 3 Jul 2008 09:53 On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 01:58:34 -0700 (PDT), Dragonblaze <dragonblaze(a)apexmail.com> wrote: >On 1 Jul, 18:54, Rupert <rupertmccal...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> These quotations from David Harrison are certainly very interesting. >> Engaging in an activity which is like to cause injury or death to >> humans, or for that matter any sentient being, is not an ethically >> justifiable way to behave and it's a very poor strategy for doing >> something about animal suffering, which one would hope is the ultimate >> goal. I will not donate money to PETA because I do not wish my money >> to end up in the hands of the Earth Liberation Front and many of us in >> the animal protection movement frequently have cause to feel annoyed >> with PETA as one of the more publicly visible organisations in the >> animal protection movement who identify themselves as "animal rights". >> Your typical animal rights activist doesn't really fit the image you >> would normally have of a terrorist. > >PETA's track record in animal welfare is abysmal - since they think >pets should not exist due to their belief in "animal rights" - and >there was a scandal with PETA killing than 90 percent of the adoptable >animals in its care during 2007. Which means the sadistic PETA freaks >will not get a single penny off me - EVER! http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ > > Now, I'm an omnivore, and very interested in animal welfare >(something quite a few vegans deny is possible). It's people like yourself who contribute to better lives for livestock with your lifestyle. Vegans do NOT. It's people like yourself who care about those animals' lives, NOT vegans. They have no argument against your interest in AW. Their elimination objective works against providing decent lives. >It means I support >RSPCA, PDSA and buy organic/freerange - I'm lucky enough to have a >city farm within walking distance and can see for myself how the >animals are cared for and what conditions they live in. That is lucky. What kind of farm? >In my opinion promoting animal welfare is better for preventing animal >suffering than promoting "animal rights." > >Dragonblaze No doubt. The misnomer "ar" works against the concept of providing decent lives for domestic animals: _________________________________________________________ .. . . Not only are the philosophies of animal rights and animal welfare separated by irreconcilable differences, and not only are the practical reforms grounded in animal welfare morally at odds with those sanctioned by the philosophy of animal rights, but also the enactment of animal welfare measures actually impedes the achievement of animal rights. .. . . There are fundamental and profound differences between the philosophy of animal welfare and that of animal rights. .. . . Many animal rights people who disavow the philosophy of animal welfare believe they can consistently support reformist means to abolition ends. This view is mistaken, we believe, for moral, practical, and conceptual reasons. .. . . welfare reforms, by their very nature, can only serve to retard the pace at which animal rights goals are achieved. .. . . "A Movement's Means Create Its Ends" By Tom Regan and Gary Francione ��������������������������������������������������������� _________________________________________________________ AVMA POLICY ON ANIMAL WELFARE AND ANIMAL RIGHTS Animal welfare is a human responsibility that encompasses all aspects of animal well being, including proper housing, management, nutrition, disease prevention and treatment, responsible care, humane handling, and, when necessary, humane euthanasia. Animal rights is a philosophical view and personal value characterized by statements by various animal rights groups. Animal welfare and animal rights are not synonymous terms. The AVMA wholeheartedly endorses and adopts promotion of animal welfare as official policy; however, the AVMA cannot endorse the philosophical views and personal values of animal rights advocates when they are incompatible with the responsible use of animals for human purposes, such as companionship, food, fiber, and research conducted for the benefit of both humans and animals. http://www.avma.org/policies/animalwelfare.asp ���������������������������������������������������������
From: Dragonblaze on 5 Jul 2008 06:20
On 3 Jul, 14:53, dh@. wrote: [snip] > >It means I support > >RSPCA, PDSA and buy organic/freerange - I'm lucky enough to have a > >city farm within walking distance and can see for myself how the > >animals are cared for and what conditions they live in. > > That is lucky. What kind of farm? It's a small one, but they breed and raise chickens, geese, pigs and cattle. I buy my eggs from there, and when they slaughter some livestock, also my meat whenever possible. Dragonblaze |