From: Dragonblaze on
On 1 Jul, 18:54, Rupert <rupertmccal...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> These quotations from David Harrison are certainly very interesting.
> Engaging in an activity which is like to cause injury or death to
> humans, or for that matter any sentient being, is not an ethically
> justifiable way to behave and it's a very poor strategy for doing
> something about animal suffering, which one would hope is the ultimate
> goal. I will not donate money to PETA because I do not wish my money
> to end up in the hands of the Earth Liberation Front and many of us in
> the animal protection movement frequently have cause to feel annoyed
> with PETA as one of the more publicly visible organisations in the
> animal protection movement who identify themselves as "animal rights".
> Your typical animal rights activist doesn't really fit the image you
> would normally have of a terrorist.

PETA's track record in animal welfare is abysmal - since they think
pets should not exist due to their belief in "animal rights" - and
there was a scandal with PETA killing than 90 percent of the adoptable
animals in its care during 2007. Which means the sadistic PETA freaks
will not get a single penny off me - EVER! http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

Now, I'm an omnivore, and very interested in animal welfare
(something quite a few vegans deny is possible). It means I support
RSPCA, PDSA and buy organic/freerange - I'm lucky enough to have a
city farm within walking distance and can see for myself how the
animals are cared for and what conditions they live in.

In my opinion promoting animal welfare is better for preventing animal
suffering than promoting "animal rights."

Dragonblaze
From: Dragonblaze on
On 1 Jul, 17:36, "Mr.Smartypants" <bunghole-jon...(a)lycos.com> wrote:

[snip]

> > just what you think are in those burgers? aye?-
>
> Fat, cholesterol, prions, growth instructing hormones, anti-biotics,
> dioxins.- Hide quoted text -

Ever heard of lean, organic beef, pork etc? Avoids all that.

Dragonblaze
From: Rev. 11D Meow! on

"Dragonblaze" <dragonblaze(a)apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:87946b99-1c2c-49b5-afb8-df83d1dba4bf(a)a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On 1 Jul, 17:36, "Mr.Smartypants" <bunghole-jon...(a)lycos.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> > just what you think are in those burgers? aye?-
>>
>> Fat, cholesterol, prions, growth instructing hormones, anti-biotics,
>> dioxins.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Ever heard of lean, organic beef, pork etc? Avoids all that.
>


Who needs all that when you can sprinkle Old Man Toenails
on your Ramen for a nutritious breakfast.



From: Rupert on
On Jul 2, 4:58 pm, Dragonblaze <dragonbl...(a)apexmail.com> wrote:
> On 1 Jul, 18:54, Rupert <rupertmccal...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > These quotations from David Harrison are certainly very interesting.
> > Engaging in an activity which is like to cause injury or death to
> > humans, or for that matter any sentient being, is not an ethically
> > justifiable way to behave and it's a very poor strategy for doing
> > something about animal suffering, which one would hope is the ultimate
> > goal. I will not donate money to PETA because I do not wish my money
> > to end up in the hands of the Earth Liberation Front and many of us in
> > the animal protection movement frequently have cause to feel annoyed
> > with PETA as one of the more publicly visible organisations in the
> > animal protection movement who identify themselves as "animal rights".
> > Your typical animal rights activist doesn't really fit the image you
> > would normally have of a terrorist.
>
> PETA's track record in animal welfare is abysmal - since they think
> pets should not exist due to their belief in "animal rights" - and
> there was a scandal with PETA killing than 90 percent of the adoptable
> animals in its care during 2007. Which means the sadistic PETA freaks
> will not get a single penny off me - EVER!http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
>
>  Now, I'm an omnivore, and very interested in animal welfare
> (something quite a few vegans deny is possible). It means I support
> RSPCA, PDSA and buy organic/freerange - I'm lucky enough to have a
> city farm within walking distance and can see for myself how the
> animals are cared for and what conditions they live in.
>
> In my opinion promoting animal welfare is better for preventing animal
> suffering than promoting "animal rights."
>
> Dragonblaze

One person who did something useful is Henry Spira, who identifies as
an animal rights advocate. His first major success was to persuade the
cosmetics companies Revlon and Avon to develop an alternative to the
Draize test. It is as a result of this campaign that people can now
buy "cruelty-free" cosmetics.

I would say that the ban on battery cages in the EU is a big
improvement, some would call it "welfarist".

I am not especially fussed about what label people are putting on
themselves, I think the main thing to worry about is, are you getting
something done.
From: Zapanaz on
Rupert hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
Thunder crashed, Rupert laughed madly, then wrote:

>One person who did something useful is Henry Spira, who identifies as
>an animal rights advocate. His first major success was to persuade the
>cosmetics companies Revlon and Avon to develop an alternative to the
>Draize test. It is as a result of this campaign that people can now
>buy "cruelty-free" cosmetics.
>
>I would say that the ban on battery cages in the EU is a big
>improvement, some would call it "welfarist".
>
>I am not especially fussed about what label people are putting on
>themselves, I think the main thing to worry about is, are you getting
>something done.

I believe we should be more cruel to animals. It builds their
character.

--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
Assassinate the greater and lesser of two evils.
- Kurt Cobain

:: Currently listening to Smoke Stack, 1957, by John Coltrane, from "Trane's Blues"