Thyroxine Antigonist - Dont Take list (with silver lining)
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From: Alan B. Mac Farlane on 9 Jul 2008 14:32 okey ... we have absorption binder or inhibitors for thyroid preparations... 1 Mega Vitamins. 2 Psyllium Husks. 3 Anti-acids like aluminun 4 Caffine, anti-histimiine, cimetidine (Tagamet) ... any 'ine' or 'anti=ine' drug or substance. On the good side ... take orange juice, grapefruit juice, stuff that make acids come up ... help break down the thyroxing in the mouth mucosa to the tummy ... I hear 100% absorption is in the tummy. Hot low acid teas ... no caffine teas .. would also help in this system of things presenting out of the fact pattern this way. Find that silver lining and make it bigger. sumbuddie saidis :)
From: Jerry on 9 Jul 2008 15:30 let me jump in, Alan Alan B. Mac Farlane wrote: > okey ... > > we have absorption binder or inhibitors for thyroid preparations... > > 1 Mega Vitamins. I've heard to avoid minerals, not vitamins > 2 Psyllium Husks. and all fiber? or just soluble fiber? e.g., soluble fiber as in prunes lowers glycemic index (aka it impedes absorption of glucose) > 3 Anti-acids like aluminun and/or because aluminum binds to TH, besides considering the acidity > 4 Caffine, anti-histimiine, cimetidine (Tagamet) ... any 'ine' or 'anti=ine' > drug or substance. coming back to that sometime later, considering that thyroxine is an "amine hormone" and there's your "ine" expanded > > > On the good side ... take orange juice, grapefruit juice, grapefruit juice actually had a slight negative effect >stuff that make > acids come up ... help break down the thyroxing in the mouth mucosa to the > tummy ... I hear 100% absorption is in the tummy. I believe it's absorbed in the jejeunu (2nd third of small intestine) and maybe the duodenum? can anybody confirm or deny that? > > Hot low acid teas ... no caffine teas .. would also help in this system of > things presenting out of the fact pattern this way. Find that silver lining > and make it bigger. yes, a person can seem to avoid effectively decreasing their dose by accident if taking the wrong thing along with the pill this is like sleuthing :) oh, and avoid soy infant formula type things... I can look up where I saw that if anybody wants and fasting increases absorption, for the truly motivated diehards > > sumbuddie saidis > > :) > >
From: Jerry on 10 Jul 2008 09:10 Alan B. Mac Farlane wrote: > > On the good side ... also on the good side, but not having to do with absorption, would be selenium - which is necessary in order to make the deiodinase enzymes that convert T4 to T3 selenium can be gotten from Brazil nuts, but then if the soil where the tree grows is depleted of selenium, the nuts won't have much. So there are selenium supplements. It's notable that correct functioning of the thyroid involves two rare elements: selenium and iodine
From: amanita on 10 Jul 2008 12:15 Jerry wrote: > also on the good side, but not having to do with absorption, would be > selenium - which is necessary in order to make the deiodinase enzymes > that convert T4 to T3 > selenium can be gotten from Brazil nuts, but then if the soil where the > tree grows is depleted of selenium, the nuts won't have much. So there > are selenium supplements. When I tried taking selenium supplements, they made me feel sick. This was when i was first diagnosed and on a low dose of thyroxine. I resevered for days, but always felt sick, so stopped taking them. I suspect that my stomach acid was low, and wonder whether that was why I reacted badly to the supplement. I was reading some nutritional info the other day that mentioned mushrooms were good for selenium. It got me wondering whether that would only be true for wild mushrooms (providing the soil contained selenium of course), or whether it would also be the case for cultivated mushrooms.
From: Jerry on 10 Jul 2008 12:57
amanita wrote: > > When I tried taking selenium supplements, they made me feel sick. This > was when i was first diagnosed and on a low dose of thyroxine. I > resevered for days, but always felt sick, so stopped taking them. I > suspect that my stomach acid was low, and wonder whether that was why I > reacted badly to the supplement. do you mean that if the selenium wasn't absorbed in the upper GI, that it proceeded to the lower GI and caused problems? > I was reading some nutritional info the other day that mentioned > mushrooms were good for selenium. It got me wondering whether that would > only be true for wild mushrooms (providing the soil contained selenium > of course), or whether it would also be the case for cultivated mushrooms. speak of the devil: http://www.edata-center.com/journals/708ae68d64b17c52,3ff76b291e5f4359,3d28163510980a9d.html they add selenium in some mineral form to the soil, for commercial growing IIRC, boiling or soaking mushrooms will take a lot out of them also: does Hashimoto's involve any cell-killing by neutrophils? if so, mushrooms and beta glucan tend to activate neutrophils, which would be bad most ordinary people want a strong immune system, but with an auto immune condition, that would not necessarily be good. There's also concern expressed by some that vit C especially is involved with boosting the antibody producing plasma cells |