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From: Simon Dean on 30 Oct 2005 03:18
Hi,

As you may know, I am "subclinical hypo" ie, normal T4 elevated TSH. The
GP won't perform any other test, they say everything is in normal
range... and have refused to treat any further until my TSH rises above 5.5.

Which means basically if that's the case, IF the GP is right (a big IF)
I would like to look at two other major problems which get me down
considerably...

Namely the constantly dry throat. Sometimes I feel it's coming from my
larynx, but I could be mistaken. I got a feeling one of three things
makes it worse... sugar, caffeine, or milk. But I could be mistaken.

The other one, is the sinus issue, sort of constant mucus, the feeling
that it's always congested (I can hear it when I breathe)

I know that these things can be linked to thyroid, but just wondering if
anyone can point me towards other avenues of thought, or whether I
should now be demanding a referral to the Ear Nose and Throat clinic at
the hospital.

Thanks
Simon
From: Arlyn on 30 Oct 2005 06:05
Well, for alternative methods...cut out all dairy products and see if you
feel better. Dairy aggravates the sinuses. Eat a lot more fruit - it
helps to get mucous out of your body - may feel like you have MORE while
your body is forcing it out. And there is a diet out there called
something like The Mucousless Diet. But I believe it is a high fruit, raw
food diet of sorts.

Grains also can cause a lot of trouble so you might want to cut back on
those.

Take care,
ar



"Simon Dean" <sjdean(a)simtext.plus.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
>As you may know, I am "subclinical hypo" ie, normal T4 elevated TSH. The

>GP won't perform any other test, they say everything is in normal
>range... and have refused to treat any further until my TSH rises above
5.5.
>
>Which means basically if that's the case, IF the GP is right (a big IF)
>I would like to look at two other major problems which get me down
>considerably...
>
>Namely the constantly dry throat. Sometimes I feel it's coming from my
>larynx, but I could be mistaken. I got a feeling one of three things
>makes it worse... sugar, caffeine, or milk. But I could be mistaken.
>
>The other one, is the sinus issue, sort of constant mucus, the feeling
>that it's always congested (I can hear it when I breathe)
>
>I know that these things can be linked to thyroid, but just wondering if

>anyone can point me towards other avenues of thought, or whether I
>should now be demanding a referral to the Ear Nose and Throat clinic at
>the hospital.
>
>Thanks
>Simon
>

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http://www.altsupportthyroid.org/index.php
From: moriarte on 30 Oct 2005 08:27
Very interesting, I wonder how many thyroid sufferers get this, and are
persuaded it isn't related by their doctors.

I've been back and fore to the GPs since my teens complaining of
catarrh and 'post-nasal drip'. At 19 I had what was probably an initial
acute attack of thryoiditis, syptoms sore throat/swolen glands/pain in
thyroid, and the dry/sore/mucousy throat thing was really bad during
and following on from this.

Later on I problems with really dry mucous membranes, dry eyes etc,
still with pints of mucous going down the throat.

I eventually ended up in ENT, mainly because of terrible ear pains;
after being intructed to 'take every antibiotic in the book', GP gave
up trying to treat this himself. The assumption was that my eustachian
tube was blocked, causing ear pain and deafness. 1 internal inspection,
3 MRI and 1 CT scan later, they could find no identifiable cause for
any of this and they washed their hands of me, mumbling 'ideopathic'. I
got diagnosed as Hypo towards the end of this, asked if there could be
any connections and told flatly 'no', and if I did find one to let them
know !

With the benefit of hindsight, I think my rhinitis was probably caused
by a mixture of autoimmune reaction (sensitivity to allergens due to
overactive immune system) and hypothyroid (dryness of mucous
membranes). I think the pain in the ear is actually referred pain from
the thyroid - it has been flaring up recently, the pain starts sharply
in the right lobe of the thyroid (ie larynx area), then spreads to the
ear before developing into a one sided headache.

The throat pain started up again recently. Went to GP immediately who
was very dismissive, had to be a virus, wouldn't send me for thyroid
scan unless there was a palpable lump etc.

I used to take decongestants (sudafed) for my catarrh problem, but I
can't any more as it interacts with thyroxine and makes me quite hyper,
be aware of this if and when you are treated. It's actually a lot
better these days anyway, I think the autoimmune activity has been less
so I am much less reactive but it is a problem following viruses, when
the rhinitis comes back and seems to drag on forever.

From: Simon Dean on 30 Oct 2005 08:52
I'll try the fruit... but I really would love to get my throat sorted out.

I tell you a side effect of milk for me, it makes me go crazy and
hyper... I just lose it. Though that is after I drink four pints of milk
within an hour.

Thanks

Cya
Simon

Arlyn wrote:
> Well, for alternative methods...cut out all dairy products and see if
> you feel better. Dairy aggravates the sinuses. Eat a lot more fruit
> - it helps to get mucous out of your body - may feel like you have
> MORE while your body is forcing it out. And there is a diet out
> there called something like The Mucousless Diet. But I believe it is
> a high fruit, raw food diet of sorts.
>
> Grains also can cause a lot of trouble so you might want to cut back
> on those.
>
> Take care, ar
>
>
From: Simon Dean on 30 Oct 2005 08:53
Some interesting points or observations you make in here.

I have been on thyroid meds for about a year and a half, now on 100 mcg
of thyroxine (which for my ample frame) doesn't calculate as being
enough even though TSH appears to indicate otherwise.

My first concern prior to starting thyroid meds was, well, what if it's
not thyroid? What if it's something else? And also "I don't want to be
treated for each individual symptom, because I feel they came on at the
same time".

So everything I had when before I went to the doctors, I still have.

I sense a certain familiarity with your afflictions. Catarrh, sore
throat etc... Can't really say I've noticed anything wrong with my
thyroid area... ie, no lumps, no swelling, no pain etc...

But yes, catarrh, congested sinus, colds that take a long time to go
away but never really seem like they clear up, dry skin patches (as
opposed to dry skin), mainly on hands, oily skin everywhere else, dry
eyes, tired eyes, then eye infections leading to ugly green yellow
mucous streaming out of my eyes. Then I get chronic acid indigestion and
intolerance of alcohol.

Autoimmune conditions seem to be a factor in my family as well, with a
close member seemingly suffering from some form of arthritis.

I do believe these things for me all stem from one particular source as
I definitely wasn't like this 5 years ago, it all seemed to come on
together at the same time. So im reluctant to let the GP give me meds
for every single condition.

My GP was talking about treating things individually, so I was scared I
was going to be on Nasal Spray, Lansoprozole, Depression tablets,
Betnovate cream, this cream, that cream, other antibiotics, these
tablets, those tablets, eye drops etc...

Fortunately my GP forgot that I mentioned symptoms in the last session,
then promptly told me to most of them that she doesn't know come back in
two months and we'll review your progress then... So then I forced the
issue with the dry throat I've had for about two years or more, and was
promptly told to try inhaling steam...

Would that work for something as long term as this?

I can live with the mucus, but the dry throat is realy pissing me off.

Cya
Simon

moriarte wrote:
> Very interesting, I wonder how many thyroid sufferers get this, and are
> persuaded it isn't related by their doctors.
>
> I've been back and fore to the GPs since my teens complaining of
> catarrh and 'post-nasal drip'. At 19 I had what was probably an initial
> acute attack of thryoiditis, syptoms sore throat/swolen glands/pain in
> thyroid, and the dry/sore/mucousy throat thing was really bad during
> and following on from this.
>
> Later on I problems with really dry mucous membranes, dry eyes etc,
> still with pints of mucous going down the throat.
>
> I eventually ended up in ENT, mainly because of terrible ear pains;
> after being intructed to 'take every antibiotic in the book', GP gave
> up trying to treat this himself. The assumption was that my eustachian
> tube was blocked, causing ear pain and deafness. 1 internal inspection,
> 3 MRI and 1 CT scan later, they could find no identifiable cause for
> any of this and they washed their hands of me, mumbling 'ideopathic'. I
> got diagnosed as Hypo towards the end of this, asked if there could be
> any connections and told flatly 'no', and if I did find one to let them
> know !
>
> With the benefit of hindsight, I think my rhinitis was probably caused
> by a mixture of autoimmune reaction (sensitivity to allergens due to
> overactive immune system) and hypothyroid (dryness of mucous
> membranes). I think the pain in the ear is actually referred pain from
> the thyroid - it has been flaring up recently, the pain starts sharply
> in the right lobe of the thyroid (ie larynx area), then spreads to the
> ear before developing into a one sided headache.
>
> The throat pain started up again recently. Went to GP immediately who
> was very dismissive, had to be a virus, wouldn't send me for thyroid
> scan unless there was a palpable lump etc.
>
> I used to take decongestants (sudafed) for my catarrh problem, but I
> can't any more as it interacts with thyroxine and makes me quite hyper,
> be aware of this if and when you are treated. It's actually a lot
> better these days anyway, I think the autoimmune activity has been less
> so I am much less reactive but it is a problem following viruses, when
> the rhinitis comes back and seems to drag on forever.
>
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