From: JOHN on

"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
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>
> But John, you wanted to know where you could see Ray Gallup blaming
> MMR and only MMR for HIS SON'S autism. I showed you somewhere where he
> is quoted as saying this. If whale.to isn't a reliable reference
> source, perhaps you should stop citing it so often yourself.

who cares what he thinks, MMR obviously caused his sons MMR

MMR and mercury cause autism http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html


From: Mark Probert on
mainframetech wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2:40 am, JohnDoe <d...(a)spam.me> wrote:
>> mainframetech wrote:
>>
>>> John Doe,
>>> Yes, very definitely stuff there intended for children. DTaP, TT,
>>> Td and Hepatitus B which the CDC says "Scientific data show that
>>> hepatitis B vaccines are very safe for infants, children, and adults."
>> What David Wright said: "Children are almost never given TT or Td. The
>> amount of thimerosal in even the heaviest pediatric HepB dose is less
>> than you'd get from a tuna sandwich."
>>
>>> If your question was intended to determine who is at risk,
>>> children are the guinea pigs for many of these vaccines. Remember,
>>> many children are so young when they get the vaccinations, they don't
>>> know to complain of any symptoms, and it's very difficult to nail down
>>> the cause of problems years later.
>> But you are sure it's the Thimerosal anyway, aren't you?
>>
>>> A special on CNN a few weeks ago
>>> mentioned that they took the Thimerosal out of many individual doses
>>> of vaccines after there was an international flap, but had left it in
>>> some( which turned out to be the children's large batches of
>>> vaccine).
>> The "international flap" was that anti-vac liars got people worried
>> about something totally safe, so it's been removed just to ease people's
>> minds. Of course, the anti-vac liars don't care about the Thimerosal,
>> they want vaccines gone completely, so now they're ranting about the
>> aluminum in the vaccines. Like one of them said: "We'll take down the
>> vaccines one ingredient at a time". You see, they're liars, and you are
>> either a liar too or you've been taken in by their lies. Time to stop
>> lying or to get educated. Your choice.
>>
>>> Now, if there's some doubt about a chemical in a vaccine, why
>>> remove it from the adult doses, and not the children? "Who benefits?"
>> Dr. Andrew Wakefield perhaps? Who knows, maybe he has another patent up
>> his sleeve.
>>
>>
>>
>>> is the question to ask, and then maybe "who supported the decision and
>>> the deciders".
>>> Chris- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Sorry about the doublepost, but the I'm glad you got the idea.
>
>> Children are almost never given TT or Td. The amount of thimerosal in
>> even the heaviest pediatric HepB dose is less than you'd get from a
>> tuna sandwich.
>
> Not a good example, I think. Even the FDA has put out warnings
> about pregnant women and babies avoiding too much tuna due to
> mercury. Which probably means everyone, but they didn't want to lose
> too much money for the industry.

I fish and catch quite a bit of tuna in season. Two years ago we had one
tested at a college, and the mercury was barely detectable.

The key is moderation.

If even one child is allowed to have
> Thimerosal put into them, there is a danger to that child.

Incorrect, unless you ignore the concept that "dose makes the poison".

Telling me
> that "Children are almost never given TT or Td" means that some
> children are given the stuff.

Note the circumstances that they are given under, and the disease that
they can prevent. Nearly negligible risk vs. serious risk.

>> The multidose vials. Not in use in the US in any significant way.
>> The thimerosal is gone from the US pediatric vaccines. Yet autism
>> rates do not plummet. That should tell you something.
>
> Doesn't tell me anything because the FDA still publishes the
> previously mentioned list as "Thimerosal Content in Currently
> Manufactured U.S. Licensed Vaccines". "U.S. licensed" sounds to me
> like if a vendor wanted to put it out, he could legally do it. Also,
> the list is there with children specified as patients for many of the
> vaccines on it. If they stopped it being used by children, I'm sure
> they'd want to brag about it.
>
>> The "international flap" was that anti-vac liars got people worried
>> about something totally safe, so it's been removed just to ease people's
>> minds. Of course, the anti-vac liars don't care about the Thimerosal,
>> they want vaccines gone completely, so now they're ranting about the
>> aluminum in the vaccines. Like one of them said: "We'll take down the
>> vaccines one ingredient at a time". You see, they're liars, and you are
>> either a liar too or you've been taken in by their lies. Time to stop
>> lying or to get educated. Your choice.
>
> Ah well. I have a feeling that "anti-vac liars" is a buzzword that
> you'd like everyone to use. Doesn't make sense though, since many are
> really anti-Thimerosal, and not against vaccination. Running around
> calling "liar, liar" doesn't help anyone get your point either. If
> you are caring of children, why not have a major drug company spend a
> few bucks and find a safe alternative to Thimerosal? They can
> certainly afford it, and it would solve the whole problem. Odd about
> that. They're able to hire all sorts of folks to do their bidding,
> but not 2 cents to solve the Thimerosal problem. Whether it's real or
> perception, it must hurt the bottom line. Ahh! THAT'S why they're
> trying to get congress to force folks to take certain vaccines!!

Yep. That is one of the anti-vac liars' mantras.

They
> won't need any advertising or care at all about Thimerosal if everyone
> is forced by law to take the drug! And of course, we'll have to have
> laws saying that the big drug companies can't be sued for killing
> thousands of people with a bad vaccine, bcause they were just doing
> the U.S. a service and didn't mean it. Yep, it all comes clear now.
> Now, we need to see who will help and support them in doing all that
> for a few bucks, while babies are dying all around us.
>
> Weell, perhaps that's a bit strong, but when you leave folks to
> their own devices with a little power, there's no telling what they'll
> do to others that are in their way. Or how they'll justify it.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
From: Peter Bowditch on
"JOHN" <john(a)btinternet.com> wrote:

>
>"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> But John, you wanted to know where you could see Ray Gallup blaming
>> MMR and only MMR for HIS SON'S autism. I showed you somewhere where he
>> is quoted as saying this. If whale.to isn't a reliable reference
>> source, perhaps you should stop citing it so often yourself.
>
>who cares what he thinks, MMR obviously caused his sons MMR

You care enough about what he thinks to demand that I show you where
he says it. If you think his opinion is irrelevant, perhaps you should
contact whoever owns whale.to and get Gallup's article removed.

>MMR and mercury cause autism http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html
>
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From: David Wright on
In article <_YOdnZaGHpwo9V_YnZ2dnUVZ8qWhnZ2d(a)bt.com>,
JOHN <john(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
>news:ipk4s2176nf7v8amvm8276p2a0pttola8v(a)4ax.com...
>
>>
>> But John, you wanted to know where you could see Ray Gallup blaming
>> MMR and only MMR for HIS SON'S autism. I showed you somewhere where he
>> is quoted as saying this. If whale.to isn't a reliable reference
>> source, perhaps you should stop citing it so often yourself.
>
>who cares what he thinks, MMR obviously caused his sons MMR

Wow. MMR causes MMR. That's a new one.

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"If George Bush were my dad, I'd be drunk in public so often that
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From: Jan on
On Jan 30, 7:19?am, JohnDoe <d...(a)spam.me> wrote:
> JOHN wrote:
> > Thimerosal Definite Cause Of Autism
> > By Evelyn Pringle
> >www.scoop.co.nz
> > January 29, 2007
> > Miamisburg Ohio
>
> > To what degree of scientific certainty can we prove that current epidemic of
> > autism was caused by the mercury-based preservative, thimerosal, in
> > childhood vaccines?
>
> We can't, because thimerosal does not cause autism.
>
> > In response to this question, David Ayoub, MD,
>
> Oooh, now there's a reliable source of information.... NOT.

Wrong. http://video.google.com/videoplay?
docid=6890106663412840646&q=Dr.+David+Ayoub%2C+M.D
>
> > told Independent Media TV,
> > ''I can state that the certainty of the science supporting mercury as a
> > major cause of autism is probably more overpowering than the science behind
> > any other disease process that I studied dating back to medical school.''
>
> > "I think a disease that effects more individuals than AIDS or cancer, in
> > previously normal infants and children," he states, "has created a sense of
> > urgency amongst researchers."
>
> > According to Ayoub, "A growing number of experimental, epidemiological and
> > biochemical research, has unequivocally shown that mercury is directly
> > linked to the development of autism spectrum disorders and is significantly
> > toxic to the gastrointestinal, immunological, metabolic and neurobiological
> > systems in children."
>
> Yep, according to Ayoub. According to the rest of the planet, research
> shows exactly the opposite
> (http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/07/still_more_evidence_that_va...)
> Thimerosal is no longer used in vaccines and autims numbers are still
> not going down. Maybe it is pasteurized milk after all. Or iPods.
>
> - snip remaining lies -

There were no lies.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646&q=Dr.+David+Ayoub%2C+M.D


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