From: Mike on
Peter Bowditch wrote:
> Mike <mike(a)xyz.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark Probert wrote:
>>> Mike wrote:
>>>> David Wright wrote:
>>>>> In article <DUPwh.78$yH3.42(a)trndny07>, Mike <mike(a)xyz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> David Wright wrote:
>>>>>>> Children are almost never given TT or Td. The amount of thimerosal in
>>>>>>> even the heaviest pediatric HepB dose is less than you'd get from a
>>>>>>> tuna sandwich.
>>>>>> It is not so innocuous when you take body weight into account. One
>>>>>> tuna sandwich for a 9 lb infant is like 20 sandwiches for a 180 lb
>>>>>> adult. Actually it is even worse than that because an infant body is
>>>>>> much weaker, especially for very young children who do not have
>>>>>> blood brain barrier yet.
>>>>> Except that the amount of mercury is even smaller than the doses you
>>>>> seem to be worried about.
>>>> Smaller than what? Pregnant women are advised to avoid tuna sandwiches
>>>> to protect their future children, why should the children be getting
>>>> an equivalent of 20 tuna sandwiches?
>>> Do you know the difference between ethyl and methyl mercury? I'll give
>>> you a hint, it is not just the 'm'.
>> Yes, I do. According to a research on monkeys ethylmercury is MORE toxic
>> for the brain than methylmercury.
>> http://www.safeminds.org/research/library/Burbacher-EHP-Primates-April-2005.pdf
>
> Why am I not surprised to find to find that SafeMinds are telling
> lies?
>
First, it is not Safeminds. It is Burbacher et al. Safeminds only
provides the text. Here is a Safeminds-free link just for you:
http://www.ehponline.org/members/2005/7712/7712.pdf.

Second, there are no lies. Please identify them.
From: Mike on
Peter Bowditch wrote:
> "Jan" <jdrew63929(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 4, 1:16?am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...(a)ratbags.com> wrote:
>>> Mike <m...(a)xyz.com> wrote:
>>>> Mark Probert wrote:
>>>>> Mike wrote:
>>>>>> David Wright wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <DUPwh.78$yH3.42(a)trndny07>, Mike <m...(a)xyz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> David Wright wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Children are almost never given TT or Td. he amount of thimerosal in
>>>>>>>>> even the heaviest pediatric HepB dose is less than you'd get from a
>>>>>>>>> tuna sandwich.
>>>>>>>> It is not so innocuous when you take body weight into account. One
>>>>>>>> tuna sandwich for a 9 lb infant is like 20 sandwiches for a 180 lb
>>>>>>>> adult. Actually it is even worse than that because an infant body is
>>>>>>>> much weaker, especially for very young children who do not have
>>>>>>>> blood brain barrier yet.
>>>>>>> Except that the amount of mercury is even smaller than the doses you
>>>>>>> seem to be worried about.
>>>>>> Smaller than what? Pregnant women are advised to avoid tuna sandwiches
>>>>>> to protect their future children, why should the children be getting
>>>>>> an equivalent of 20 tuna sandwiches?
>>>>> Do you know the difference between ethyl and methyl mercury? I'll give
>>>>> you a hint, it is not just the 'm'.
>>>> Yes, I do. According to a research on monkeys ethylmercury is MORE toxic
>>>> for the brain than methylmercury.
>>>> http://www.safeminds.org/research/library/Burbacher-EHP-Primates-Apri...
>>> Why am I not surprised to find to find that SafeMinds are telling
>>> lies?
>> What lies?
>
> How about "ethylmercury is MORE toxic for the brain than
> methylmercury"? That will do for a start.
>
For start, it is hardly a lie. The research showed that more inorganic
mercury remains in the brain after exposure to ethylmercury than to
methylmercury. And inorganic mercury stays much longer. That is, after 6
months from exposure more mercury remains in the brain if the exposure
was to thimerosal (ethylmercury) than to methylmercury.

Second, it has nothing to do with Safeminds. The quote above
("ethylmercury is MORE toxic for the brain than methylmercury") is from
my posting but I did not quote Safeminds. You can blame me but again,
this is not a lie.
From: Jan on
On Feb 4, 3:35�pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...(a)ratbags.com> wrote:
> "Jan" <jdrew63...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 4, 1:16?am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...(a)ratbags.com> wrote:
> >> Mike <m...(a)xyz.com> wrote:
> >> >Mark Probert wrote:
> >> >> Mike wrote:
> >> >>> David Wright wrote:
> >> >>>> In article <DUPwh.78$yH3.42(a)trndny07>, Mike <m...(a)xyz.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>> David Wright wrote:
> >> >>>>>> Children are almost never given TT or Td.  he amount of thimerosal in
> >> >>>>>> even the heaviest pediatric HepB dose is less than you'd get from a
> >> >>>>>> tuna sandwich.
> >> >>>>> It is not so innocuous when you take body weight into account. One
> >> >>>>> tuna sandwich for a 9 lb infant is like 20 sandwiches for a 180 lb
> >> >>>>> adult. Actually it is even worse than that because an infant body is
> >> >>>>> much weaker, especially for very young children who do not have
> >> >>>>> blood brain barrier yet.
>
> >> >>>> Except that the amount of mercury is even smaller than the doses you
> >> >>>> seem to be worried about.
>
> >> >>> Smaller than what? Pregnant women are advised to avoid tuna sandwiches
> >> >>> to protect their future children, why should the children be getting
> >> >>> an equivalent of 20 tuna sandwiches?
>
> >> >> Do you know the difference between ethyl and methyl mercury? I'll give
> >> >> you a hint, it is not just the 'm'.
>
> >> >Yes, I do. According to a research on monkeys ethylmercury is MORE toxic
> >> >for the brain than methylmercury.
> >> >http://www.safeminds.org/research/library/Burbacher-EHP-Primates-Apri....
>
> >> Why am I not surprised to find to find that SafeMinds are telling
> >> lies?
>
> >What lies?
>
> How about "ethylmercury is MORE toxic for the brain than
> methylmercury"? That will do for a start.
>
>
>
> >You are the master along with the *gang* who lies.
>
> I will have to bring back KACHING!! You are falling back into bad
> habits.

Bad habits like posting the truth.
>
>
>
> >> <snip more of the same> truth.
> >> --
> >> Peter Bowditch
>
> > Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> --
> Peter Bowditch
>
> - Show quoted text -


From: JohnDoe on
mainframetech wrote:

> On Feb 2, 2:59 am, JohnDoe <d...(a)spam.me> wrote:
>
> I see that we've fully entered the namecalling and insult phase of
> our discussion.

I wasn't sure at first wether you were an anti-vac liar or a victim of
the anti-vac liars. I think that question has been answered now. I'm not
calling names, I'm simply asserting facts and calling things and people
what they are. If you have a problem with being associated with or being
called an anti-vac liar, distance yourself from that nonsense and/or
stop lying.

> I have learned over the last week or two by reading a
> few of these topics, that some people seem to devolve to insults and
> other negative comments.

Why wouldn't I or anyone else call people liars if they lie? Or insane
if they are? Wouldn't you call a guy who claims that vaccines are used
by the Save the Childred Fund to murder children in third world
countries insane? I'm talking about a guy who is a hero among the anti-
vaccers here.

> I have seen a document floating around here
> to do with warning new users about "Pharma-phloggers" (I like that
> better than 'bloggers'), and I wonder if some of the posters here are
> some of those folks, because they display the same characterisitics
> mentioned in the warning.

The guy writing that warning has admitted that he's being paid by the
supplement industry to pay here. For the rest, we've all asked the guy 2
things: 1) We're is your evidence and 2) where do I pick up my paycheck?
If you believe his 'warning', your further down woowoo lane than you
should be.

> If that's true, it's so easy to recognize these folks, but I wonder
> too what led them to do what they do. Are they paid? That would make
> some sense. Are they in desperate need of spitting venom at folks,
> using the phony excuse that they're saving them from bad medicine?
> That makes no sense. They would be more decent to folks to convince
> them of their point. Are they just coming here and posting to look
> knowledgeable and wise and convince the newcomers that they know all?
> That makes no sense. Who would insult folks they want to convince of
> something? Naah, to me only the money motive seems to fit.

You have shown all the signs of someone who can not be convinced, so why
bother?

> Lordee...I think what it must be like selling your soul by misleading
> folks about real dangers in the medical community, and it distresses
> me. Those poor people.
>
> Chris

Vaccines are not a danger.
From: Peter Bowditch on
"Jan" <jdrew63929(a)aol.com> wrote:

>On Feb 4, 3:35?pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...(a)ratbags.com> wrote:
>> "Jan" <jdrew63...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>> >On Feb 4, 1:16?am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...(a)ratbags.com> wrote:
>> >> Mike <m...(a)xyz.com> wrote:
>> >> >Mark Probert wrote:
>> >> >> Mike wrote:
>> >> >>> David Wright wrote:
>> >> >>>> In article <DUPwh.78$yH3.42(a)trndny07>, Mike <m...(a)xyz.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>> David Wright wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> Children are almost never given TT or Td. (e amount of thimerosal in
>> >> >>>>>> even the heaviest pediatric HepB dose is less than you'd get from a
>> >> >>>>>> tuna sandwich.
>> >> >>>>> It is not so innocuous when you take body weight into account. One
>> >> >>>>> tuna sandwich for a 9 lb infant is like 20 sandwiches for a 180 lb
>> >> >>>>> adult. Actually it is even worse than that because an infant body is
>> >> >>>>> much weaker, especially for very young children who do not have
>> >> >>>>> blood brain barrier yet.
>>
>> >> >>>> Except that the amount of mercury is even smaller than the doses you
>> >> >>>> seem to be worried about.
>>
>> >> >>> Smaller than what? Pregnant women are advised to avoid tuna sandwiches
>> >> >>> to protect their future children, why should the children be getting
>> >> >>> an equivalent of 20 tuna sandwiches?
>>
>> >> >> Do you know the difference between ethyl and methyl mercury? I'll give
>> >> >> you a hint, it is not just the 'm'.
>>
>> >> >Yes, I do. According to a research on monkeys ethylmercury is MORE toxic
>> >> >for the brain than methylmercury.
>> >> >http://www.safeminds.org/research/library/Burbacher-EHP-Primates-Apri...
>>
>> >> Why am I not surprised to find to find that SafeMinds are telling
>> >> lies?
>>
>> >What lies?
>>
>> How about "ethylmercury is MORE toxic for the brain than
>> methylmercury"? That will do for a start.
>>
>>
>>
>> >You are the master along with the *gang* who lies.
>>
>> I will have to bring back KACHING!! You are falling back into bad
>> habits.
>
>Bad habits like posting the truth.

Start that any time you like.

>>
>>
>>
>> >> <snip more of the same> truth.
>> >> --
>> >> Peter Bowditch
>>
>> > Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
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>> Peter Bowditch
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
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