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From: Stephan Carydakis on 8 Feb 2006 06:54 Hi All, Due to cancer, I had 5/8 of my Thyroid removed at age 17 with subsequent Radioactive Iodine Therapy at 18. I am 37 now and take 2400 mcg of Thyroxin per week. According to blood tests, this puts me at the higher end of the acceptable range but I feel great there! My question is in regard to Thermogenics and the effects on Thyroid function. Over the past 3 months, I have started to exercise regularly which includes 3 weight training and 2 cardio sessions a week. I wish to maximise my time in the gym and have just started to research Thermogenics, as a personal trainer mentioned it to me as a fat burning aid. When he described what it contains and what it does, I immediately thought of the possible effects on Thyroid function. Has anyone had any experience with Thermogenics? Can anyone tell me about the implications of taking Thermogenic products and Thyroxin together? Any information is much appreciated. Thanks in advance, Stephan Carydakis.
From: Kevin G. Rhoads on 8 Feb 2006 09:57 > I am 37 now and take 2400 mcg of Thyroxin per week. So, a little over 340 mcg/day, on average -- presumably alternating between 325 and 350? >According to blood tests, this puts me at the higher end of the acceptable range but I feel great there! Good, keep this in mind. >Has anyone had any experience with Thermogenics? Can anyone tell me about >the implications of taking Thermogenic products and Thyroxin together? While not directly knowing "Thermogenics", many of these kinds of products included things that would be potentially problemsome for people with thyroid disorders. Such as iodine (or iodine containing materials such as kelp), ephedrine or pseudo-ephedrine (or they may include similar materials) and/or "thyroid glandulars" - these latter being animal thyroid material with the T4 and T3 removed, but which contain iodine and possibly T1 and T2. In addition, some have had synthetic T2 added. So while not absolutely prohibited, all such products should be considered most carefully, and viewed with suspicion. If you do choose to try any such, be prepared to discontinue it at the first signs of hyper- reactions. In making your decision, keep in mind that the risks may be rather high, and is the purported benefit worth it? One of the risks is that you will destabilize your present thyroid replacement therapy. You have a doctor who is willing to dose you on the high side, where you feel good. If you accidentally drive yourself hyper- with the "thermogenics" stuff, how will the doctor react? You've apparently got a good thing going -- do you want to risk it? Frankly, were it me in your situation, I'd pass on the "thermogenics". I suspect this product, for whatever benefits it confers, has some risk for people with intact thyroids, but much worse risks for those whose thyroids are whacked out. YMMV
From: GuyPaul Thibault on 8 Feb 2006 11:16 You don't need them first off... You are already dosed quite high, imagine doubling that dose daily and what that would do to your heart, tempature, etc, That's basically what thermogenics do, just speed everything up... If it doesn't speed up your metabolism to dangerous levels it could mess with your current meds and they might stop working correctly... and finally, a properly certified PT would never suggest a thermogenic to a client. -- Geeper's World http://geepersworld.blogspot.com/ "Kevin G. Rhoads" <kgrhoads(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote in message news:43EA06C2.414ED845(a)alum.mit.edu... >> I am 37 now and take 2400 mcg of Thyroxin per week. > So, a little over 340 mcg/day, on average -- presumably alternating > between 325 and 350? >>According to blood tests, this puts me at the higher end of the acceptable >>range but I feel great there! > Good, keep this in mind. > >>Has anyone had any experience with Thermogenics? Can anyone tell me about >>the implications of taking Thermogenic products and Thyroxin together? > > While not directly knowing "Thermogenics", many of these kinds of products > included things that > would be potentially problemsome for people with thyroid disorders. Such > as iodine (or iodine > containing materials such as kelp), ephedrine or pseudo-ephedrine (or they > may include similar > materials) and/or "thyroid glandulars" - these latter being animal thyroid > material with the T4 > and T3 removed, but which contain iodine and possibly T1 and T2. In > addition, some have had > synthetic T2 added. > > So while not absolutely prohibited, all such products should be considered > most carefully, and > viewed with suspicion. If you do choose to try any such, be prepared to > discontinue it at the > first signs of hyper- reactions. In making your decision, keep in mind > that the risks may be > rather high, and is the purported benefit worth it? > > One of the risks is that you will destabilize your present thyroid > replacement therapy. You have > a doctor who is willing to dose you on the high side, where you feel good. > If you accidentally > drive yourself hyper- with the "thermogenics" stuff, how will the doctor > react? You've apparently > got a good thing going -- do you want to risk it? > > Frankly, were it me in your situation, I'd pass on the "thermogenics". I > suspect this product, > for whatever benefits it confers, has some risk for people with intact > thyroids, but much worse > risks for those whose thyroids are whacked out. > > YMMV
From: bj on 8 Feb 2006 11:31 Just from what you say about it .... "trainer mentioned it..." "fat burning aid..." -- it sounds like a crock to me. Does that trainer also sell the stuff by any chance? Is it only "pennies per tablet" which add up to Big Bucks per month? Just out of curiosity, why wasn't your whole thyroid removed before your RAI? That's the more common approach. bj (also thyroid cancer survivor) "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777(a)netspace.net.au> wrote in message news:dscm6k$ue8$1(a)otis.netspace.net.au... > Hi All, > > Due to cancer, I had 5/8 of my Thyroid removed at age 17 with subsequent > Radioactive Iodine Therapy at 18. I am 37 now and take 2400 mcg of > Thyroxin > per week. According to blood tests, this puts me at the higher end of the > acceptable range but I feel great there! My question is in regard to > Thermogenics and the effects on Thyroid function. > > Over the past 3 months, I have started to exercise regularly which > includes > 3 weight training and 2 cardio sessions a week. I wish to maximise my > time > in the gym and have just started to research Thermogenics, as a personal > trainer mentioned it to me as a fat burning aid. When he described what > it > contains and what it does, I immediately thought of the possible effects > on > Thyroid function. > > Has anyone had any experience with Thermogenics? Can anyone tell me about > the implications of taking Thermogenic products and Thyroxin together? Any > information is much appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > > Stephan Carydakis. > >
From: Stephan Carydakis on 8 Feb 2006 16:51
Hi bj, The trainer does not sell it. He has seen good results with it and that's why he mentioned it to me. When it comes to health particularly, I am not the type of person to take even a so-called 'experts' opinion on things. I will always research, ask questions etc. When I first noticed the lump at the base of my neck just after I had turned 17, I naturally went to a GP. He had me check back once a month for 6 months to keep an eye on it - no tests. After the 6 months it didn't appear to be growing so he said not to worry about it was common in adolescence. I went away but after 9 months it was still there. Back to the GP then finally on to an Endocrinologist and eventually on to a surgeon. As I mentioned, it did end up being cancer. So the lesson for me, don't take just one persons word on anything and always research things yourself. As far as leaving part of the gland, I was 17 at the time so my understanding of it may not be correct not to mention my memory! I thought there were 2 main reasons why this was done. Firstly, I thought some natural Thyroid activity was desirable if possible. This didn't eventuate although I cant remember if that was because the remaining part of the gland wasn't working, or because tests indicated remaining cancer. I also thought that having some gland gave the RAI somewhere to go because of the particular isotope??? Thanks. Steph. "bj" <bjones44(a)bellatlantic.net> wrote in message news:j1pGf.36347$DV2.33307(a)trnddc07... > Just from what you say about it .... "trainer mentioned it..." "fat burning > aid..." -- it sounds like a crock to me. Does that trainer also sell the > stuff by any chance? Is it only "pennies per tablet" which add up to Big > Bucks per month? > Just out of curiosity, why wasn't your whole thyroid removed before your > RAI? That's the more common approach. > bj > (also thyroid cancer survivor) > > "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777(a)netspace.net.au> wrote in message > news:dscm6k$ue8$1(a)otis.netspace.net.au... > > Hi All, > > > > Due to cancer, I had 5/8 of my Thyroid removed at age 17 with subsequent > > Radioactive Iodine Therapy at 18. I am 37 now and take 2400 mcg of > > Thyroxin > > per week. According to blood tests, this puts me at the higher end of the > > acceptable range but I feel great there! My question is in regard to > > Thermogenics and the effects on Thyroid function. > > > > Over the past 3 months, I have started to exercise regularly which > > includes > > 3 weight training and 2 cardio sessions a week. I wish to maximise my > > time > > in the gym and have just started to research Thermogenics, as a personal > > trainer mentioned it to me as a fat burning aid. When he described what > > it > > contains and what it does, I immediately thought of the possible effects > > on > > Thyroid function. > > > > Has anyone had any experience with Thermogenics? Can anyone tell me about > > the implications of taking Thermogenic products and Thyroxin together? Any > > information is much appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Stephan Carydakis. > > > > > > |