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From: Victor S. Miller on 23 Apr 2008 20:20
I just got a new FF mask - Resmed Ultra Mirage. After a few nights
where it didn't work so well, I'm now sleeping through the night with
it. However, when I wake up in the morning (and this is much the same
as when I used the F&P 431 FF mask), I feel about the same way that I
feel if I'm suddenly awakened from a very deep sleep -- slightly
confused and very groggy. The problem is, that this last all day! As
tired as I felt in ordinary (i.e. without CPAP) sleep, I feel twice as
tired and groggy after using CPAP. Has anyone encountered this? If
so, what do you think causes it? Could my pressure be set wrong? I
used the F&P 431 for over 6 months, and I never felt any better. I
stopped using it because the mask ended up being painful and leaving
deep red marks on the bridge of my nose and on my lower face, which
took many hours to go away.

Victor

From: Tiger_Lily on 23 Apr 2008 21:14
Victor S. Miller wrote:
> I just got a new FF mask - Resmed Ultra Mirage. After a few nights
> where it didn't work so well, I'm now sleeping through the night with
> it. However, when I wake up in the morning (and this is much the same
> as when I used the F&P 431 FF mask), I feel about the same way that I
> feel if I'm suddenly awakened from a very deep sleep -- slightly
> confused and very groggy. The problem is, that this last all day! As
> tired as I felt in ordinary (i.e. without CPAP) sleep, I feel twice as
> tired and groggy after using CPAP. Has anyone encountered this? If
> so, what do you think causes it? Could my pressure be set wrong? I
> used the F&P 431 for over 6 months, and I never felt any better. I
> stopped using it because the mask ended up being painful and leaving
> deep red marks on the bridge of my nose and on my lower face, which
> took many hours to go away.
>
> Victor
>
Victor, i've been very successful with the ResMed UltraMirage mask as
well :)

when i first underwent CPAP treatment, then adjusted to it, it DID take
me a while to catch up on my sleep debt, and i DID feel worse inspite of
my better sleep at night

when i was running on 'empty' all the time, my adrenaline was running
top speed and keeping me functioning.............now i don't have the
adrenaline problem anymore (i'm diabetic, so when i'm running on
adrenaline, that affects my blood glucose levels and i can SEE a difference)

hang in there! it does get better!

kate
From: Victor S. Miller on 23 Apr 2008 22:39
>>>>> "Kate" == Tiger Lily <me(a)privacy.net> writes:

Kate> Victor S. Miller wrote:
>> I just got a new FF mask - Resmed Ultra Mirage. After a few nights
>> where it didn't work so well, I'm now sleeping through the night
>> with it. However, when I wake up in the morning (and this is much
>> the same as when I used the F&P 431 FF mask), I feel about the same
>> way that I feel if I'm suddenly awakened from a very deep sleep --
>> slightly confused and very groggy. The problem is, that this last
>> all day! As tired as I felt in ordinary (i.e. without CPAP) sleep,
>> I feel twice as tired and groggy after using CPAP. Has anyone
>> encountered this? If so, what do you think causes it? Could my
>> pressure be set wrong? I used the F&P 431 for over 6 months, and I
>> never felt any better. I stopped using it because the mask ended
>> up being painful and leaving deep red marks on the bridge of my
>> nose and on my lower face, which took many hours to go away.
>> Victor
>>
Kate> Victor, i've been very successful with the ResMed UltraMirage
Kate> mask as well :)

Kate> when i first underwent CPAP treatment, then adjusted to it, it
Kate> DID take me a while to catch up on my sleep debt, and i DID feel
Kate> worse inspite of my better sleep at night

Kate> when i was running on 'empty' all the time, my adrenaline was
Kate> running top speed and keeping me functioning.............now i
Kate> don't have the adrenaline problem anymore (i'm diabetic, so when
Kate> i'm running on adrenaline, that affects my blood glucose levels
Kate> and i can SEE a difference)

Kate> hang in there! it does get better!

Kate, Thanks for the response. However, I was sleeping through the
night with my F&P mask from last March through last November, and I
was feeling groggier and groggier (besides the painful red marks).
Finally, in disgust, I stopped sleeping with CPAP, and my sleep was
much more restful -- I actually felt less tired in the morning (though
still plenty tired). I know that everybody says "hang in there", but
8 months seems like an awfully long time to feel LESS rested and
groggier.

Unfortunately, since January I've had a shoulder problem (which turned
out to be a torn rotator cuff) which has been badly affecting my
sleep. About two weeks ago I went back to the sleep center to get a
new mask (since I decided that the F&P mask was probably due for
changing anyway, since it was over a year old), which I did. I
thought that perhaps my sleep apnea was aggravating the shoulder
pain. But now with sleeping with my mask I'm back to feeling worse
again.

Victor
From: Gary C on 23 Apr 2008 22:14

"Victor S. Miller" <victor(a)algebraic.org> wrote in message
news:m3mynkje7l.fsf(a)algebraic.org...
> I
> stopped using it because the mask ended up being painful and leaving
> deep red marks on the bridge of my nose and on my lower face, which
> took many hours to go away.
>
> Victor
>



Victor:

I've been a lurker here for a long time and have seen YOU mention this
MANY a times - i.e. marks on your face.

The question I have is, why does this matter? Who are you impressing with
your facial appearance when you first awake? Do those opinions ACTUALLY
affect
your daily presence in life?

I too, awake with marks on my face, using a Resmed or Resperonics FF mask.
I couldn't care less about the marks because I'm old enough to realize that
I'm done trying to impress people. I don't care what people think about me
personally, or my marks, from a FF mask! Tomorrow, the sun rises with or
WITHOUT
these people around me, so SCREW 'EM! I still have to go to work tomorrow
morning,
and the bottom line is - I'm there to do my job, which iS *NOT* a
model!!!!!!

And to further enforce my feelings, if this post offends YOU, by me being
blunt,
I DON'T CARE! Honestly, I REALLY couldn't care less!

Things like this don't really matter when you get past a certain age!
Maybe it's time for YOU to grow up. Because the bottom line question
remains -
"Are YOU sleeping better with, than without?"

Sleep is YOUR personal sanctuary! And you don't have to look good to relish
it!!!!






From: Victor S. Miller on 24 Apr 2008 00:26
Gary, Besides the fact that the marks are red, they are also painful.
Even if I didn't care how I look, I do care about pain.

Victor
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