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From: Alex on 5 Oct 2005 14:44
Hi Kate,

I guess some the doctors over in Europe are as stupid as some of them
here in the States.

A steady weight gain can be caused by a unregulated thyroid or type 2
diabetes & either problem can cause the same symptoms as Fibromyalgia.

I would suggest you go back to your doctor & demand a complete thyroid
panel & at least a 4 hour glucose tolerance test.

I found out years ago we can't expect the medical community to fix us,
unless we advocate for ourself.

Katie wrote:

<snipped>

Sending Good Thoughts,
{{{{Katie}}}}

GramPaHugs,
Alex,

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or entertainment purposes only, is based on my
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From: Rosemarie Shiver on 5 Oct 2005 17:39
What Alex sez, Katie, and whut Nettie sez, too. It's a complex
intermingling of things. You might wanna consider a good therapist to add
into the mix -- many times just having someone to talk to in safety can make
all the difference. Not that I know...but in my case it's mainly my Mother
issues that I stuff down with food. I keep thinking when she's gone I'll get
slimmer. :-(

In the meantime if you haven't tried MSM and Vitamin C you might wanna.
It's OTC and do-it-yerself. It helped me when I was goin' crazy with pain
and had nohing else and no MD who believed that FM is real. I learned about
it here at AMF and there's tons of good info here:

http://users.erols.com/ereshkigal/msm.htm

I also found an MD who Rx's me Neurontin, which has helped my pain
levels immensely. The MSM plus C could hold ya until you get better
treatment.

I've supported ya for many moons b'cuz you're worth it.

Hugs,
Rosie S.
Dame of Dementia




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Outta Hell II
"Alex" <abarna(a)mn.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3aV0f.91524$32.14188(a)tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Hi Kate,
>
> I guess some the doctors over in Europe are as stupid as some of them
> here in the States.
>
> A steady weight gain can be caused by a unregulated thyroid or type 2
> diabetes & either problem can cause the same symptoms as Fibromyalgia.
>
> I would suggest you go back to your doctor & demand a complete thyroid
> panel & at least a 4 hour glucose tolerance test.
>
> I found out years ago we can't expect the medical community to fix us,
> unless we advocate for ourself.
>
> Katie wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> Sending Good Thoughts,
> {{{{Katie}}}}
>
> GramPaHugs,
> Alex,
>
> --
>
> Any information is included for informational
> or entertainment purposes only, is based on my
> personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion.
>
> ****************************************************
> * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn
> * http://home.mn.rr.com/apbiii
> * http://grampahugs.is-a-geek.org/
> * http://grampahugs.ath.cx/grampahugs/
> * http://www.goldenmist.org
> ****************************************************


From: Smokie Darling (Annie) on 5 Oct 2005 18:39

Katie wrote:
> Hi Annie,
>
> Yes, thank God, my husband and my best friend both swear that I don't eat
> too much. I'll have to take them with me to the doctors!

You know, it isn't a bad idea to bring one or the other with you. For
your own support if nothing else.

>
> I recently had an appointment with a woman doctor who's supposed to help
> with my weight problem but I am worried that she isn't going to be much
> help.

Katie, it's mental here. If you think she won't help, then she won't.
If you think she may help, then she may. Positive attitude (yeah, I
know, but keep trying if losing weight is what *you* want okay?). Some
people do not want to lose weight, and that's fine so long as they are
otherwise healthy (heart, blood pressure, circulation, etc).

>
> I got that impression because first of all, I told her that weighing myself
> makes me feel suicidal. I was not laughing when I said that... and what did
> she do but ask me to get on the scale. I refused. Said we could do that
> another time.

Hmmm, well, I think that both of you had "notions" about the other. As
an overweight person, I know how it was to see a doctor about my
weight. I would get anxious, because I was going to be accused of
eating too much, or eating the wrong things, or whatever... So, I'd be
tense and I'd anticipate the worst and that's what would I get. I KNOW
how hard this is for you, trust me.

>
> Then she told me to write down everything I ate for ten days and proceeded
> to give me an appointment for one month from then! She could see how much
> this problem is getting me down because I couldn't stop the tears in my eyes
> as I told her about my weight trouble over the years. But she didn't even
> give me any hope. She said we'd look at what I ate and where we could cut
> calories.

Well, that is how she has to determine how best to help you. She
probably, like others, thinks you eat too much. Once she sees what you
eat (maybe you should track what you eat every day until the next
appointment?), then she can see how best to work with your individual
body type and problem.

>
> I think she probably sensed that I am hostile and wary with doctors. So she
> probably doesn't like me.

She probably doesn't think one way or the other. No doubt she senses
your discomfort with doctors, but that may not shade how she views you.
Imagine how many people she probably sees who are doing nothing other
than seeking diet pills. Having never taken any I don't know, but
aren't most diet pills basically speed? She may worry that you are a
"speed freak" or something (yes, I've seen overweight speed freaks).

>
> I agree with your doctor who told you to stop dieting. It has been proven
> that dieting will make a person's metabolism slow down. I read a very good
> book about that and did all the written exercises that book recommended to
> help me stop obsessing about food and which foods I can and can't eat. It
> did help me with my attitude toward eating (mostly my guilt and fear) but it
> didn't help my lose any weight. As I look at the tables I made on my
> computer and filled in religiously at every meal, I feel sad because what I
> ate is really not that much, very reasonable amounts of healthy home
> cooking.
>
> It may be I have a hereditary problem. Maybe in my next life I can have a
> body I like.
>
> hugs
> Katie

You could be dealing with heredity, and that's why you need an MD to
check out the rest of your body systems. Some people are just bigger
than others. I have a large bone structure (and the bone density tests
to prove it - hee), so I'm a big girl regardless of my weight.

When I found a way to eat, I lost 115 pounds (52.16 kilos). It works
for me. I got it from my physician (I told him I was going on Atkins,
he looked it over and changed a few things, including giving me a
"free" day after the first 2 weeks where I could eat anything I wanted
in moderation). That was when I was working, but have gone back on it
(I'm now disabled and can barely walk) and have lost weight again on
it.

It works for me, you just need to find an eating program that works for
you, that allows you to lose weight. It's out there. Some people go
low-carb (Atkins, South Beach, et al), Some go high-multi grain, others
just count calories, others count fat, others count sugars.

Have a little faith that this doctor can help you. Be honest with her,
and be honest with yourself. Be good to yourself Katie. I'm glad
you've got your husband and your friend for support.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

From: Katie on 6 Oct 2005 07:15

"Janey Pooh" <janepooh(a)la.shockware.com> a ?crit dans le message de news:
1128531064.780832.203390(a)g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Katie wrote:
> "Janey Pooh" <janepooh(a)la.shockware.com> a ?crit dans le message de news:
> 1128516816.718802.106270(a)g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Thanks so much. You have brought tears to my eyes with your hugs. I know
> your situation is worse than mine, but I really lose it sometimes...
> thanks
> again.
>
> Katie

Ah, sweet Katie. I need to say something to you and to everybody else
who thinks this way about *my* situation . . .

Your situation is every bit as important, serious and *worthy* of
support as mine - to you. I see this kind of comment a lot and while I
understand where it's coming from and appreciate the thought, I also
think it's really important not to hold me up as a 'guideline' for how
much support, understanding and {{HUGS}} one is entitled to.

I come to this newsgroup because I have fibromyalgia but, in fact, I
feel like I'm MUCH better off where *that* is concerned than many (make
that MOST) other people who post here. I've been talking about my
aneurysm, epilepsy and such cuz that's what happened to me and it's an
unavoidable part of my life now - but I'm posting to a Fibro group and
don't expect or deserve any more support than anyone else here.

Plus, one can ALWAYS find someone else who is *worse off* than them,
but that doesn't mean they don't deserve support. For instance, there
are MANY MANY people in Louisiana who are worse off than me right now.
They deserve support. But that doesn't mean I deserve LESS support
from the people *I* interact with. There are TONS of people in poor
countries all over the world whose suffering is far greater than any of
ours - but that does not mean WE should not expect and receive support.

I implore every single person reading this right now to Put Themselves
First. Doesn't mean I don't want you to reply to MY posts and give me
support when I ask for it (or obviously NEED it but don't seem to be
asking ;o) What it means is - Don't judge your own situation by
comparing it to anyone else's. Judge your own situation based on your
own feelings about YOU. If you feel bad, you ALL should be able to SAY
SO!!! Please don't EVER think something like, "I'd say something, ask
for help, but Jane has it so much worse than I do. How can I
complain?"

My situation is not necessarily *worse* than yours, Katie. It's just
different. We both deserve {{{{{{Katie and Jane}}}}}} hugs and I'm
always happy to give and receive them when I can. :o) Same goes for
pretty much everyone on this group.

'Kay, Rant Over.

Take GOOD Care and lots of {{{HUGS}}}

Janey

This is all true and well expressed as usual. I think I have a problem with
the notion of "deserving". Once I told a friend that I wished someone would
say to me "I'm sorry you have this illness, you don't deserve it." and she
said "Why? Do you think there are people who *deserve* their illnesses?"

I thought about why I needed someone to say I don't deserve this illness and
came to the conclusion that Fibro seems like a punishment and a prison... so
the logical conclusion is: I must have done something wrong...

Probably I am punishing myself. I know we shouldn't waste energy finding
someone to blame for it.

Katie



From: Katie on 6 Oct 2005 07:23
It's good to hear from someone who has had the same experience. I'm so glad
for you that you finally managed to lose weight. I think Atkins really
works... it just drives me nuts but I'll probably try that one again if the
one I'm on right now doesn't work .

I don't think they have this one in the US: it's called chrono-diet. You eat
according to the time of day. Mornings you can eat cheese, bread and butter;
lunch you have meat and potatoes; evening only fish and green vegetables.
There is a mandatory snack which includes 30grams of chocolate if you want
it. It seems like I'm eating more than I did before but it's a diet that
worked for a friend of a friend and I decided to give it a try!

I told the doctor I was on this diet and she said I could continue. I will
take your advice and write down everything I eat until I see her next.

Thanks Annie!

Katie



"Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnabus1993(a)yahoo.com> a ?crit dans le message de
news: 1128551969.699809.287950(a)z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> Katie wrote:
>> Hi Annie,
>>
>> Yes, thank God, my husband and my best friend both swear that I don't eat
>> too much. I'll have to take them with me to the doctors!
>
> You know, it isn't a bad idea to bring one or the other with you. For
> your own support if nothing else.
>
>>
>> I recently had an appointment with a woman doctor who's supposed to help
>> with my weight problem but I am worried that she isn't going to be much
>> help.
>
> Katie, it's mental here. If you think she won't help, then she won't.
> If you think she may help, then she may. Positive attitude (yeah, I
> know, but keep trying if losing weight is what *you* want okay?). Some
> people do not want to lose weight, and that's fine so long as they are
> otherwise healthy (heart, blood pressure, circulation, etc).
>
>>
>> I got that impression because first of all, I told her that weighing
>> myself
>> makes me feel suicidal. I was not laughing when I said that... and what
>> did
>> she do but ask me to get on the scale. I refused. Said we could do that
>> another time.
>
> Hmmm, well, I think that both of you had "notions" about the other. As
> an overweight person, I know how it was to see a doctor about my
> weight. I would get anxious, because I was going to be accused of
> eating too much, or eating the wrong things, or whatever... So, I'd be
> tense and I'd anticipate the worst and that's what would I get. I KNOW
> how hard this is for you, trust me.
>
>>
>> Then she told me to write down everything I ate for ten days and
>> proceeded
>> to give me an appointment for one month from then! She could see how much
>> this problem is getting me down because I couldn't stop the tears in my
>> eyes
>> as I told her about my weight trouble over the years. But she didn't even
>> give me any hope. She said we'd look at what I ate and where we could cut
>> calories.
>
> Well, that is how she has to determine how best to help you. She
> probably, like others, thinks you eat too much. Once she sees what you
> eat (maybe you should track what you eat every day until the next
> appointment?), then she can see how best to work with your individual
> body type and problem.
>
>>
>> I think she probably sensed that I am hostile and wary with doctors. So
>> she
>> probably doesn't like me.
>
> She probably doesn't think one way or the other. No doubt she senses
> your discomfort with doctors, but that may not shade how she views you.
> Imagine how many people she probably sees who are doing nothing other
> than seeking diet pills. Having never taken any I don't know, but
> aren't most diet pills basically speed? She may worry that you are a
> "speed freak" or something (yes, I've seen overweight speed freaks).
>
>>
>> I agree with your doctor who told you to stop dieting. It has been proven
>> that dieting will make a person's metabolism slow down. I read a very
>> good
>> book about that and did all the written exercises that book recommended
>> to
>> help me stop obsessing about food and which foods I can and can't eat. It
>> did help me with my attitude toward eating (mostly my guilt and fear) but
>> it
>> didn't help my lose any weight. As I look at the tables I made on my
>> computer and filled in religiously at every meal, I feel sad because what
>> I
>> ate is really not that much, very reasonable amounts of healthy home
>> cooking.
>>
>> It may be I have a hereditary problem. Maybe in my next life I can have a
>> body I like.
>>
>> hugs
>> Katie
>
> You could be dealing with heredity, and that's why you need an MD to
> check out the rest of your body systems. Some people are just bigger
> than others. I have a large bone structure (and the bone density tests
> to prove it - hee), so I'm a big girl regardless of my weight.
>
> When I found a way to eat, I lost 115 pounds (52.16 kilos). It works
> for me. I got it from my physician (I told him I was going on Atkins,
> he looked it over and changed a few things, including giving me a
> "free" day after the first 2 weeks where I could eat anything I wanted
> in moderation). That was when I was working, but have gone back on it
> (I'm now disabled and can barely walk) and have lost weight again on
> it.
>
> It works for me, you just need to find an eating program that works for
> you, that allows you to lose weight. It's out there. Some people go
> low-carb (Atkins, South Beach, et al), Some go high-multi grain, others
> just count calories, others count fat, others count sugars.
>
> Have a little faith that this doctor can help you. Be honest with her,
> and be honest with yourself. Be good to yourself Katie. I'm glad
> you've got your husband and your friend for support.
>
> Smokie Darling (Annie)
>


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