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From: Laurie on 14 Jun 2008 14:43 dh@. wrote: more mindless propaganda. -- Alt.food.vegan.SCIENCE is about SCIENCE. All other issues are OFF TOPIC here. Please cooperate. Laurie Forti Moderator alt.food.vegan.science
From: Laurie on 14 Jun 2008 14:50 phil wrote: Off-topic diatribe. -- Alt.food.vegan.SCIENCE is about SCIENCE. All other issues are OFF TOPIC here. Please cooperate. Laurie Forti Moderator alt.food.vegan.science
From: dh on 16 Jun 2008 08:40 On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:43:44 -0400, Less Than Honest Larry wrote: >dh@. wrote: > >> � Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of >>wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of >>buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does. >>What they try to avoid are products which provide life >>(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have >>to avoid the following items containing animal by-products >>in order to be successful: >> >>Tires, Paper, Upholstery, Floor waxes, Glass, Water >>Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer, Antifreeze, Ceramics, Insecticides, >>Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic, Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen, >>Heparin, Insulin, Solvents, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, >>Gelatin Capsules, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products, >>Plywood, Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane >>Wrap and Tape, Abrasives, Steel Ball Bearings >> >> The meat industry provides life for the animals that it >>slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it >>as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for >>their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume >>animal products from animals they think are raised in decent >>ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the >>future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for >>livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious >>consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by >>being vegan. >> From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised >>steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people >>get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well >>over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people >>get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm >>machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and >>draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is >>likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings >>derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products >>contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and >>better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. � > >more mindless propaganda. AFAWK, everything that I point out is true. It's just that some of us like those truths better than others of you do.
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