From: Vernon on

"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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> Janna Hoskin wrote:
>> Rich wrote:
>>> "Rich" <joshew(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:JgpQg.10664$rE5.4610(a)tornado.socal.rr.com...
>>>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>>>> news:45121ea6$0$23870$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
>>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:9HmQg.3239$Se.1941(a)trndny03...
>>>>>> David Wright wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <45117712$0$23843$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com>,
>>>>>>> Vernon <athere(a)athere> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:wPdQg.3212$Se.671(a)trndny03...
>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
>>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have
>>>>>>>> ever seen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or
>>>>>>>> behavioral science,
>>>>>>> You're not sure which?
>>>>>> He skipped that class.
>>>>> Behavioral science IS psychology and V.V.
>>>>> Take some drugs or have a drink or a dozen.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used both terms because there are some here who open their mouth
>>>>> with no education and I just identified two of them.
>>>> Okay, wise one. Tell us the difference between "punishment" and
>>>> "negative reinforcement" as defined by Dr. Skinner. Quickly now; you
>>>> lose points if you take time to look it up on the internet. If you
>>>> indeed studied the subject, the answer should be already in mind.
>>>
>>> Too late, Vern. Either you didn't know, or you weren't paying attention.
>>> I really don't believe you have any education in behavioral science OR
>>> psychology. You're just blowing smoke, as usual.
>>
>> Oh, hey, if Vern never gets back to you on that question, can I answer? I
>> know it!
>>
>> (And I have a psych degree and have worked as a behavioural therapist
>> with autistic children, and I take medication for my ADHD.)
>>
>> -Janna
>
> Janna...you sig line, which did not copy, mentions that you are a Respite
> Worker.
>
> I'll nominate anyone who does respite for sainthood. It is the one single
> most important aspect of support for families with special children-and
> the one single most underfunded, underavailable support service for
> families with special children.

I second the nomination.


From: PeterB on

Vernon wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:tAwQg.4100$ht6.1530(a)trndny06...
> > Vernon wrote:
> >> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> >> news:SXjQg.1802$F46.621(a)trndny09...
> >>> Vernon wrote:
> >>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:wPdQg.3212$Se.671(a)trndny03...
> >>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
> >>>>
> >>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have
> >>>> ever seen.
> >>> From you, Vernon, that means that it has something valid to say.
> >>
> >> No, it means I have seen a lot of trash and a lot of cons. I recognize
> >> them right away.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or
> >>>> behavioral science,
> >>> Was that before or after youbecame a rocket scientist/high ranking
> >>> government official, bgtween your eighth and ninth careers?
> >>
> >> Before AND during.
> >>
> >>
> >>> I can say that it is an excellent illustration of sick science and
> >>>> a money making scam.
> >>> Sure it is...
> >>>
> >>>> UNBELIEVABLE that people get sucked into that trash.
> >>> Imagine that a person is sucked in because they want to adequately
> >>> function in society.
> >>
> >> Oh, boy.
> >>
> >> Drugs are the answer to everything.
> >
> > Where did I say that? There is no question that proper medication can
> > help.
>
> Some Meds CHANGE behavior. Those meds are classed as drugs. Alcohol is in
> the same class.
>
> >
> >>>> It makes as much sense as a parent joining a certain Islam sect and
> >>>> strapping dynamite to their kids and telling them they are expected to
> >>>> take some dogs with them. THEY absolutely believe the nonsense. There
> >>>> is no logic to change their mind.
> >>> That is an absurd analogy.
> >>
> >> See above answer.
> >>
> >> When in doubt use drugs or alcohol. You will have a lot of believers and
> >> get a lot of sympathy.
> >
> > Where did I say anything about alcohol? Medications are to be used when
> > appropriate.
>
> To the people who decide they can't cope or are TAUGHT that they can't cope,
> alcohol is one of the answers. Alcohol dependancy IS drug dependancy and
> V.V.
>
> >
> >> The analagy is precisely right on.
> >> There is no logic to change their mind.
> >
> > Nope. The analogy sucks.
>
> Like I said; There is no logic to change their mind.
>
>
> >
> >>>> Absolutely pitiful.
> >>>>
> >>>> How can ANY intelligent person, even without training fall for that,
> >>>> except to use as a failure excuse.
> >>>> Of course it is / was on T.V. and there is little or no intellect
> >>>> there.
> >>
>
> I didn't mention the completely misleading and thus nefarious presentation
> in their little "test".
> The two giveaway traits in the "test" were:
> 1. The completely ambiguous choices, never or seldom, sometimes, often, very
> often. The same activity to different people would result in totally
> different answers. Once a year to some would be never and others often.
>
> 2. Take this to your Doctor. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> I showed the test to four different doctors in four different fields and
> they couldn't believe the stupidity of the test and especially couldn't
> believe that any respectable doctor would even bother to take it seriously.
>
> ADHD: Poor little me, I can't cope.
> I'm fed up with my kid and I'm going to drug it. Alcohol is frowned upon,
> so I'll find a sympathetic (nefarious) Doctor and get a drug.

I don't know why they don't call Ritalin "Amphetakids," it would sell
even better.

From: awthrawthr on

Mark Probert wrote:
> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/

Hmm, when an anecdotal account supports a prescription drug, you're
right there to provide the link.

I hope you didn't miss the episode where he gave a woman who had Stage
III lung cancer a far infrared sauna, and told her it was a special
type of sauna! Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

From: Mark Probert on
awthrawthr(a)yahoo.com wrote:
> Mark Probert wrote:
>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
>
> Hmm, when an anecdotal account supports a prescription drug, you're
> right there to provide the link.

I posted it as a positive story of someone who has overcome his AD/HD.
The story does not mention whether he used any other treatment
modalities, as many do.

I am not claiming that this will be the same result for everyone, just him.

> I hope you didn't miss the episode where he gave a woman who had Stage
> III lung cancer a far infrared sauna, and told her it was a special
> type of sauna! Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

I do not watch the show.



From: Mark Probert on
PeterB wrote:
> MothWrangler wrote:
>> PeterB wrote:
>>
>>> Mark Probert wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
>>>
>>> Promoting drugs again, Markey? The promo doesn't even mention the fact
>>> that Canada has pulled Adderall due to instances of sudden death.
>>> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/2005/2005_92_e.html
>> AFAIK, Canada reversed it's 02/05 ban of Adderall XR in 8/05.
>
> I don't suppose the reversal brought those dead kids back to life?

I do not suppose that you could provide evidence that the medication
were the proximate cause of the deaths?

> Canada has a history of pandering to pharmaceutical interests; a
> temporary ban on dangerous drugs is just PR to quiet down public
> outcry. Think Vioxx.

We are not discussing Vioxx. And, the above paragraph is devoid of
relevant facts.

>
>> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/2005/2005_92_e.html
>>
>>
>> Nancy
>> Unique, like everyone else
>